October 15, 2024 Engineering Criteria Review Board Meeting

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Hello! I’d like to welcome

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Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’d like to welcome everyone to this meeting of the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission’s Engineering Criteria Review Board.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: This meeting is being recorded.

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Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Good afternoon. Welcome to this hybrid in-person and online ecrb meeting. My name is Rod Iwashta.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I am chair of the Ecrb.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, should be.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Do you?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Do you want my mic on for my computer as well. No, yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: okay. I’ll try to be. I’ll read closer.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I have a few announcements. Our 1st order of business is to call the role board members.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Please use the microphones on the table to respond, unmute yourselves to respond and mute yourselves again. After responding.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Jen, please call the roll.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Roddy Washta chair of the board here.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Jim French vice chair.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Sure.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Bob Talia

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: here.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Geema Kasali. Yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Chris, may

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I know Chris was gonna be out today.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Ramin Golisorki.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Here

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Nick Sitar.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Gail Johnson.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Patrick Ryan.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: here.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And then we have some alternates present today filling in for people on the board. We have Bill Treme.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Great. And then I do see talia travisaru

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on the zoom.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And Ellie, you can participate as a member of the public. If you want to comment at the end.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Is there anyone else on the board I’ve omitted?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I believe Dylan might be joining us remotely later. But Justin is out.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Cherry Washedad. We have a quorum of at least 5 present.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, thank you, Jen. We have a quorum present. So we are duly constituted to conduct business. I now call the meeting to order.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I want to start with some instructions on how we can best participate in this meeting, so that it runs as smoothly as possible.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: First, st everyone on the board. When you are not involved in the active discussion.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: please make sure you have your microphones or phones muted to avoid background noise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: When you do speak today, please move your microphone close to your mouth and speak loudly. So everyone in the room or on Zoom can hear you.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Also. The mics are directional, so you can leave them on during discussions, if you prefer.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: If you have a camera, please make sure it is on during the meeting. So everyone online can see you

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: also board members. If you would like to speak. During the meeting you may raise your actual hand or your virtual zoom hand, whichever you prefer.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Every now and then I may refer to the meeting host Margie, who is working behind the scenes

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to ensure that the technology moves the meeting forward smoothly and consistently.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Please be patient with us if it’s needed

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: ex parte communications as set forth in Bcdc’s communications

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or regulations. Sorry a member of the Ecrb shall not have any oral or written communication regarding a proposed project

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or other matter that has been noticed

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to be considered at an Ecrb meeting with a project proponent permit applicant.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: prospective applicant or member of the public, except on the record during an Ecrb meeting

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Board members, in case you have inadvertently forgotten to provide the staff with a notice on any

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: written or oral ex parte communications. I invite you to report on any such communications at this point by raising your hand

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and unmuting yourself.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay for the record. No hands have been raised.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, now on to agenda. Item number 2 staff updates.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Jen, can you provide us with?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Or now we will have a staff update from senior engineer and board secretary, Jen Hyman.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you. Chair Washta. I would like to provide an update on upcoming meetings

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on November 19th Bcdc. Council, Michael Ng. Will give a legal training to ecrb members on regulations and policies of the Ecrb.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I just found out that this meeting will be fully remote.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so people doesn’t, don’t have to come in to the office for this training, because it’s just a training.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I hope as many Ecrb members can attend as possible.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The meeting will still be a public meeting and recorded.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There is currently nothing on the agenda for the December 10th meeting

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and as usual, building management needs this room at 5 o’clock sharp.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and so we’ll

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I don’t think we should have a problem winding up the meeting by 4 30 today.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: hopefully sooner than that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Lastly, I appreciate all board members Rsvping via outlook to me. To the meeting invites, so I can determine who will be present for the meetings.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and those are all my announcements.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, thank you, Jen.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: before we move on to the presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: are there any announcements from board members?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, I don’t see any raised hands, so we’ll move on.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Now. We will move on to the main agenda. Item, the discussion of the draft

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: regional shoreline adaptation plan guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: also known as the Rsap Guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The Ecrb 1st held a meeting in June of this year to provide feedback

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on an earlier version of the draft Rsap guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Bcdc has updated the document

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: based on extensive feedback and issued an updated public draft.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Rsap guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Today is our final meeting to provide feedback. This meeting will proceed according to the following agenda.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: 1st up Dana Breckwald, assistant planning director for the for climate adaptation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and Jackie Perrin Martinez, Senior Climate adaptation. Planner will make a 45 min presentation

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: during the presentation. It is fine for board members to ask clarifying questions.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: At the end of the presentation we will open the meeting for public comments related to the presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: After hearing any comments from the public, the Ecrb will resume the discussion with their questions, comments, and feedback on rsap guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: At the end of this discussion I will ask for final comments and then close the agenda. Item

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: bye.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I would like to ask board members and presenters to please turn on your cameras for any discussion during or after the presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and I would now like to turn it over to BC. DC. Planning team to begin their presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Great. Thank you so much. Happy to be back today.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Apologies for those of you who have heard this presentation multiple times, Bob.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: let me just get my screen share up here.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, here we go.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so Bcdc is really excited that we’re here with the regional shoreline Adaptation plan. We have been in the midst of our public comment period on the public draft of the shoreline Adaptation plan.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: It closes this Friday. So we’re nearing the end of this public comment period. We have a hearing on Thursday at our commission meeting that will allow us to discuss this further, but we’re really excited to talk it through with you today. Share with you where we are and hear your thoughts on it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So as Rod said, I’m Dana Breckwald. I’m the assistant plan director for climate adaptation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Here are our goals, really for the presentation today we want to make sure that you, as Ecrb representatives, and therefore associated with Bcdc. That you’re really familiar with the shoreline adaptation plan with the content, purpose, and outcomes, and that you feel comfortable, being able to talk about it with your colleagues.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We want to just clarify some things that you know are required. What’s to come? What? Sb. 272 actually says about the responsibilities for local governments. And Bcdc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We want you also to be advocates for the regional shoreline adaptation plan. So how can you share out what this means to communities, to other interested parties and help them get engaged in the planning process throughout the bay that’s coming over the next 10 years.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And then, you know, if you do have want to make official public comment, we encourage you to do so between now and Friday. And hopefully, this presentation will give you the knowledge that you need to be able to do that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I wanna just start again.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Hold on. How do I

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: hide this?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Minimize that here?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah. Oh, yeah, that’s not my computer. Okay, so these are the questions that Jen sent in the staff report, and we just want to pose them right now. So that you can think about them as you’re going through the presentation, and then, of course we will revisit these again at the end. But, you know, is there anything missing from the technical standards or anything that needs additional explanation? Are there any components of the guidelines themselves that are missing or are too burdensome?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Do you think the adaptation strategy standards will lead to the right kinds of projects.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: What are some trade-offs or challenges you can anticipate with applying the guidelines as they’re written. And then, lastly, what kind of technical assistance would be helpful to ensure the guidelines are most usable to cities and counties.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So let’s get into what this plan is and what it means for local governments.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So September 16, th we launched the public comment phase for the regional shoreline adaptation plan. It was distributed via email to thousands of affected local governments in the region along with other interested parties, special districts, etc. Everything is available which Jen links you to already, but we have materials both on our Bcdc. And our Bay adapt websites.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I also wanted to point out that we have a link to an online data mapping platform which is currently in its draft form. This is not part of our official public comment, because it’s not part of the Bay Plan Amendment, but it is a preview to a tool that will be launching in early 2025. That will help users implement the guidelines with data.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There are 4 ways that we’re soliciting public comment. We have an online comment form. You can mail or email a letter, although since it’s Tuesday you’ve got to get it in the mail today, if you want to arrive by Friday, and then, as I mentioned, we have a public hearing scheduled for this Thursday at one Pm. Here at BCC’s offices, or via Zoom.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and I just want to point out here that the questions and comments that are made today are actually are not recorded as official public comment. So please make sure that if you do have official public comment, submit them through one of our formal channels. Of course we will take the note notes and take into consideration all the comments you make here today. But if you’d like it to be public, please please use our formal channels.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So what is the regional shoreline adaptation plan, or the Rsap, as you’ll hear us call it, in the simplest terms. It’s a region wide plan for the bay that guides the creation of locally, of coordinated, locally planned sea level rise, adaptation actions that meet that work together to meet regional goals.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And it does this by combining a top down with a bottom up, approach the regional approach. The top down includes a region wide, one bay vision. For what adaptation along the bay shoreline should look like as well as strategic regional priorities that identify region-wide vulnerability issues that need to be addressed in local adaptation, planning

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the plan guidelines and minimum standards set set the stage for sub-regional shoreline adaptation plans which are now required by all cities and counties to develop over the next 10 years.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The guidelines tell you how to develop the plans and how to create adaptation strategies that meet consistent standards and advance the one bay vision.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So later Jackie will spend some time covering what’s in this document and what each of these elements are. But we also, as I mentioned, want you to understand why it’s been created and what it means for local adaptation planning.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So before we get to the contents of the plan, I just want to share a little bit of background about why Bcdc. Why was Bcdc. The agency that was named in this bill, Bcdc. As you know, has been serving the region since 1965, and about a dozen years ago we recognized that the shoreline was changing. And so, as you are aware, we incorporated sea level rise into our body of work, including policies that impact permitting.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’ve also been leading our adapting to rising tides program, and one of our recent accomplishments on the on the planning side is the publication of the Bay adapt joint platform which we have briefed you on in the past.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and the the regional shoreline adaptation plan actually builds on many of the actions named in the bay adopt joint platform, and it was also named in Sb. 2, 72. That the guidelines should follow. Bay adapts basic guiding principles.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’ve also been working for many years to align and support the work of other regional agencies like Plan Bay Area 2050, and the estuary blueprint. So this is all just to say that we’re what we’re bringing into the guidelines and the regional Showing adaptation plan is built on a decade plus of foundational studies and initiatives. Arch Bay Area, which is our major overview of vulnerability across systems in the Bay area.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and as well as all the work that we have been doing in engaging with local governments over the past decade plus.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And even though each city and county is unique, we’re all linked due to our shared shoreline. So impacts in one part of the bay will have a ripple effect throughout the rest of the bay.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and different communities are also in different stages of planning. Some need support to even get started.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So it’s really important that we work together as a connected region. We’ve enumerated some of the benefits here that we think, come with regional planning.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: ensuring that adaptation is coordinated to reduce UN

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: unintended impacts on our neighbors.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that we prioritize resources in vulnerable frontline communities that have endured historic harms. We prioritize plan for and protect the long term health of our wetlands and coastal habitats.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’re strategic about how we actually implement projects so that we target the most important systems. First, st

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we have common standards and methods so that we can share data and information across the region.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we line up an effective pipeline for funding adaptation projects, and lastly, that we’re able to track and measure progress as a region as a whole, so that we can continually adapt over time.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So to add extra fuel to the fire of why, we think it’s important for the Bay Area to plan for adaptation. Local adaptation planning is now recognized by the State as important and required by law.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Last year, Sb. 272 was signed into law by the Governor, and this requires that local jurisdictions develop subregional shoreline adaptation plans. By January 2034

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Bcdc’s job is to develop the guidelines that these plants must follow for the bay for the outer coast. It’s the Coastal Commission.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and then we have the authority to review and approve or deny sub-regional plans based on the consistency with these guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: cities, and counties have the opportunity to apply for funding to complete this plans, and in the bill it states that approved plans will also unlock dollars for implementation of projects.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And even though the law is new adaptation, planning in the Bay area is not.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And while the regional Shoreline Adaptation plan sets out a complete process to develop a compliant plan. Many cities are likely to have pieces of this already completed.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So just be aware, as you’re listening through the guidelines that we are committed to working with each community, to meet them where they are, and complete the plans to build upon what has already been done locally.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So cities and counties within BCC’s jurisdiction within the 100 foot shoreline band are required to develop subregional shoreline adaptation plans.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: This table shows the cities and counties that fall into this category.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and you’ll also see that some cities have an asterisk next to them. These are cities that are not within BCC’s jurisdiction, but are projected to be impacted by coastal flood hazards as included in the plan in the near term, and may want to participate in plan development. For that reason

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: special districts are also not required by the bill to develop plans, but of course they could play a critical role in the development of these local plans as they own and manage a lot of the shoreline

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: cities and counties may choose to prepare their own plan, especially if they’re already pretty advanced in their planning process, but we also highly encourage neighboring cities and counties to work together, to create a multi-jurisdictional plan that looks at impacts and solutions across jurisdictional boundaries.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So now I’m going to turn it over to Jackie to do a deep dive into the contents of the Rsap.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Great thanks, Dana.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: all right. So I’m going to provide, as you said, an overview on the contents and the development of the draft regional shoreline adaptation plan. And I’ll also be abbreviating it as Rsap. We’ll be saying it often.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So next slide, please.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I want to start by saying that we were really intentional about our goals for developing the Rsap, and especially for developing, developing the guidelines. In this document, which outline the requirements for local jurisdictions to prepare subregional shoreline adaptation plans

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: from the very conception we aim to ensure that the guidelines are designed to be flexible and provide multiple avenues to meet requirements. We’re continuing to look at our language in the draft to make sure that we really are. We are committed, as Dana said, to working with jurisdictions on this level of flexibility.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We also want to ensure that they encourage alignment across multiple planning processes, that they’re right size, meaning that they recognize differing levels of capacity and don’t leave smaller or lower capacity jurisdictions behind

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that they build upon existing efforts through allowing use of existing elements that meet the guidelines again more to this flexibility, and that they are impactful that they respond to the needs facing local jurisdictions and are locally adopted, codified, and provide the right level of information to catalyze implementation of policies and projects for sea level rise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and the draft Rc. Was collaboratively developed through multiple forms of engagement. We heard from community members through local community events and co-hosted local workshops with 5 community-based organizations to test our guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we deeply engage with subject matter experts through our advisory group who reviewed multiple drafts of the Rsap before the one that we’re sharing during this public comment period. And in fact, this draft is Number 3.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We shared an early draft with local government planners and held a planning planner and practitioner workshop to ensure that the guidelines work for local planners.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And lastly, we’ve been touring the region and speaking at Mayor’s Conferences and County Supervisor meetings to share what we’ve been working on as widely as possible.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So thank you. To all those who have participated.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and all of this engagement yielded an enormous amount of feedback. I won’t be able to go through all of it, but I do want to highlight just some of this feedback and how we’ve been addressing it in the plan.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’ve heard about the critical importance of emphasizing habitats and nature-based solutions throughout the document, and we work to make it clear that a healthy future bay is an integral part of how we see the future of adaptation along the bay shoreline.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We heard about the need to provide consideration for existing as well as new developments which we’ve included in our strategic regional priority and adaptation standards which I will touch on in this presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We also heard a desire for flexibility to work with existing plans, and we’ve been working to do that in this draft, and we’ll continue to do so in the next.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We heard the need to ensure that shoreline solutions are based on local context, and we’ll share how the guidelines really include this bottom-up approach to achieve this local nuance while still working towards regional goals.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We also heard an ask for simplification and clarity about what is required, and this draft seeks to provide clear instructions and remove guesswork about what we’re asking for. We include a complete plan submittal checklist to help make it clear what we’re asking for and why

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we’ve also had a lot of discussion about what flood hazards to include and the appropriate sea level Rise projections to use.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And lastly, we’ve been. While this has been a relatively fast timeline. We have heard an appreciation for Bcdc’s efforts to include so many stakeholders and make meaningful changes to each of our drafts in response to those comments.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So now, getting into the draft and what the sections of this contain, there’s 3 sections that we have right now. Section one includes the introduction. It provides the underlying science and the context for the Rsap and the subregional adaptation plans. Dana shared a lot of that context in there at the beginning of this presentation

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: section 2 is our one bay vision which includes our strategic regional priorities. This section can be thought about as that regional approach. The top down plan to ensuring that the contribution of local adaptation actions adds up to a shared set of outcomes.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and section 3 provides the subregional shoreline adaptation plan guidelines, which speaks to the requirements of Sb. 272.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: This is that bottom-up component where local planning will engage with their local communities, identify local priorities and develop adaptation strategies suitable to their local conditions, context and community values.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And you can find this graphic in the beginning of our of our document to provide that orientation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So, starting with the one bay vision, this defines the regional outcomes of adaptation that all of adaptation should collectively be striving to achieve.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And this vision served as the foundation for the subregional plan guidelines to ensure that local planning contributes to these key outcomes that we think are necessary for a resilient future bay area.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The one bay vision includes a statement for the region as a whole which acknowledges the interconnectedness of our region and our societies and all of these different issues. But it also includes a vision statement and goal for 8 individual topic areas that represent key categories and that are addressed throughout the plan.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So to just give you a little highlight of what’s in this vision, the regional vision starts by stating, as sea levels rise, the Bay area’s diverse communities come together to transform how we live, work, plan, and adapt along our changing shorelines

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: for each topic area. We have a high level vision statement, and these state as sea levels rise, communities are healthy and vibrant, healthy baylands, ecosystems, thrive places are designed for changing shorelines. Critical services are reliable. The bay shoreline is accessible to all. Safe and reliable transportation connects us all. People and ecosystems are safe from contamination risks

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and regional collaboration drives efficient and effective adaptation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Each of these 8 topic areas has a corresponding strategic regional priority. As Dana mentioned, these are the critical issues that affect the well-being of our entire region and include issues that must be addressed across jurisdictional boundaries

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: through the sub regional plan guidelines. We require that local jurisdictions that contain any of these regional priorities include them in their local planning and describe their part in contributing to these regional and wide-ranging benefits.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m going to touch on each of these. So you have a sense of what these regional priorities are.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: These include reducing displacement of communities on the front lines. To do this we ensure that local plans include actions to mitigate displacement, risk

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: ensuring Bayland’s ecosystems are complete and connected. We require that habitats are not only improved locally in planning, but also planned for across jurisdictional boundaries. As nature doesn’t follow these lines

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: promoting safe and strategic growth and density, we utilize Plan Bay Area’s growth geographies and encourage growth in these locations to meet regional housing and development needs

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: maintaining reliable critical and emergency services. We ensure key critical infrastructure are prioritized to maintain services provided which often cross jurisdictional boundaries.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: improving connected regional shoreline access. We require that public access and access to regionally significant parks and trails, stays connected across shoreline adaptation plans

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: maintaining the regional movement of people and goods. We ensure that local plans incorporate how the functions of these key assets will be maintained into the future.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Another priority is reducing contamination in and in environmental justice communities.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So not only do we include contamination as an asset to be assessed across all plans. But we state a regional priority that contaminated sites in specific communities need to be highlighted and addressed 1st

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and last, but not least is ensuring that flood risk. Reduction is achieved with neighbors, and across jurisdictions we require that certain parts of the shoreline with high hydrologic connectivity demonstrate how their efforts work together to minimize unintentional flooding that could result. If everyone goes it alone.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: As you can see, these are important and often interconnected issues and addressing them effectively, means that cities and counties will likely need to work together, or they’ll need to work together, maybe likely, even more than they already do to build this resilient future.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So now, going into the subregional shoreline adaptation plan guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the guidelines lay out a planning process organized by elements in a subregional plan. These elements include planning process, existing conditions, vulnerability, assessment, adaptation, strategies and pathways, land use and policy.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: project implementation and funding and a project list

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: for those who are familiar with sea level Rise adaptation. You may have heard me say this before, but this shouldn’t look new, and that is intentional. We developed this, based on existing plans in the region, and the plan requirements are structured similar to Fema’s local hazard mitigation plan guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Purpose of the guidelines is to standardize the process to ensure that all planning is using the best available science information and practices to help us achieve the one bay vision.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: You can think about this as a cheat sheet for how to do good planning

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: as part of the guidelines. We also developed 4 minimum standards, while the plan elements describe a process for planning, and will naturally include a lot of local nuance. The standards set consistent baselines for all adaptation planning, and these will be used across the planning process. These include coastal flood hazards and sea level rise scenarios, minimum categories and assets and equity assessment and adaptation strategy standards. And I will provide a really brief overview of these components in the next 2 slides.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So just again, very briefly, because there’s a lot more in the draft itself element, a requires a description of the plan partners, the planning area and equitable community engagement.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And I’ll just also note that the planning area, as Dana mentioned, can be a city county or a combination. And this could also include planning at the operational landscape units

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: element B requires a list listing existing plans, policies, physical and social conditions that create the context for your plan

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: element C is where there’s an assessment of the vulnerability of critical assets, issues, and populations to coastal flood hazards. This is where those strategic regional priorities get elevated into the process

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: element D is where adaptation strategies are identified and preferred, approaches are selected that respond to the vulnerabilities identified in the previous element.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Element. E requires a summary of the approach necessary, and the land use changes and policies that are required to achieve the adaptation strategies identified in element D

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: element F requires a description of implementation, including responsible parties. The timeline costs and potential funding sources. And lastly, element. G. Is where we ask jurisdictions to provide their list of priority projects again, stemming from the adaptation strategies.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The standards, as I mentioned, are referenced throughout the plan elements. The coastal flood hazards and sea level rise scenarios, identify 4 minimum hazards that must be addressed, all of which are exacerbated by sea level rise. These include tidal inundation, the 100 year storm surge and shallow and emergent groundwater.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We set baselines for sea level rise scenarios based upon the Ocean Protection Council’s updated sea level rise guidance, which includes point 8 feet by 2050, and 3 scenarios for 2,103 point one feet 4.9 and 6.6.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Again, we’re very aligned with the State’s best available science. On this

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we also include minimum categories and assets to ensure that no key issues are being left out of planning.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: These only apply if these assets appear in a given location, and Bcdc. Provides regionally available data to meet many of these requirements for jurisdictions that don’t have easy access to some of this data. The Dana mentioned earlier, the mapping platform or the draft data preview. That’s where we have included a lot of this data

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that we can make available.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The Equity assessment standard includes equity focused questions that must be answered throughout the plan elements to ensure that equity is being centered in the process.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And, lastly, the adaptation strategy standards lay out the outcomes of adaptation to guide the selection and development of strategies and adaptation pathways.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There’s 20 standards and they’re organized by 3 categories which I will summarize next.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the adaptation strategy standards represent the key outcomes of adaptation, recognizing that there’s many different ways that local adaptation can achieve, those outcomes

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: could be various strategies that work together to meet this set of outcomes.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: standards with a green circle indicate that the outcomes these specific standards are related to the strategic regional priorities.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So any of the standards with a green would only apply if a jurisdiction also has that strategic regional priority in their location.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: All of the standards are organized by 3 buckets, starting with what’s at the water and maximizing the benefits of water, dependent shoreline uses and Bayland’s habitats.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: These standards include promoting public access. Water dependent uses, such as ports, marinas, and water access points

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: ensuring that Bayland habitats are improved and have the ability to exist into the future. The second grouping is improving. Community health, economic development, infrastructure and housing.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: These standards include achieving key outcomes related to reducing flood risk for existing developments and strategic planning for new development. Along with many of the key issues I mentioned earlier in the strategic regional priorities.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and the last category is focused on creating pathways to respond to changing flood risks over time. This is the emphasis on building the adaptive capacity to implement adaptation pathways and be responsive to risk these actions. These include actions that governments can take such as updates to local standards, codes, and land uses.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I have the list here. And again you can read all about them in the draft.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Lastly, I want to note that Bcdc. Has laid out a formal process for developing, submitting, and approving subregional plans with key responsibilities for both local government staff and Bcdc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The Rsap is intended to be adopted as a Bay Plan amendment, and Dana will touch on that next which will give Bcdc. The ability to review subregional plans for consistency with the guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and our document sets these expectations for compliance.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: This process includes a public noticing, when plans are initiated, a minimum number of consultation meetings between local government staff and Bcdc. That we can work with you on where you’re starting from and how we can ensure that maybe existing work that you’re doing can best meet the guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’ll also then require a local approval by elected boards at the local level.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and that there is a local adoption of these plans before they’re submitted to Bcdc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Once submitted to Bcdc. We also have laid out a process where we will review the plans, develop our staff reports, notice public hearing, and bring to our Commissioners for a vote for approval.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I know that we have shared a lot of information with you.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and we want to emphasize again that we

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we intend to provide a lot of flexibility in how to create plans with and across local jurisdictions that make sense for your communities.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We want to work with you to help ensure that we’re truly building upon past and existing research and the decisions that have already been made.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and ensure that the guidelines really serve you and your communities, that they do, in fact, provide a helpful cheat sheet for how to do good planning while still providing the necessary space for local solutions that can work towards both local and regional benefit.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And there’s no doubt about it that this work is very hard that the challenge of sea level rise before us is immense, but we believe in the outcomes of good, coordinated and consistent planning that we can achieve together

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and meeting these guidelines ensures that we are, in fact, prioritizing equitable processes and resources to frontline and environmental justice communities that we’re reducing flood risk to existing homes, jobs and neighborhoods, that we are ensuring flood safety in new developments, that we are continuing to enjoy the things we love about the bay, recreational areas, habitats and access to nature, that we can continue to rely on the services that we need, the movement of people and goods and other connected systems

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that we’re prioritizing the cleanup of contaminated sites, especially in areas susceptible and vulnerable to groundwater rise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and that we are creating collaborative governance with the ability to respond to these risks and continue to adapt over time.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So with that, thank you, and I’ll turn it back over to Dana for a couple more closing slides for our presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thanks, Jackie. So before we get into our discussion.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: just sharing with you a couple of what’s next.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the 1st thing to note is that, as Jackie mentioned, in order for Bcdc. To carry out its responsibilities under Sb. 272, we have decided to formally adopt the Rsap as a Bay Plan amendment to give us the authority internally to review and approve local government sub-regional shrine adaptation plans.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’re adopting this through a process called a Bay Plan Amendment and staff is proposing that the Commission adopt the entire Rsap by reference as a component of the Bay plan.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’re also proposing to make changes in the existing Bay plan, climate change findings and policies.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Especially climate change policy 6, which called for creating a regional showing adaptation strategy.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So we’re amending this to say that the Rsap is now established for use and approval of these these plans. This is the strategy that was laid out in climate change policy. 6.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The policy also provides direction for future BC BCC action in this area, such as providing ongoing technical and policy support. So that’s codifying. That’s being codified in the plan amendment or in the policy changes.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But it’s also worth noting that these changes do not affect the way that BCC. Permits projects.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Some limited updates to policy. 7 allows Bcdc staff to use the Rsap and sub-regional plans in an advisory capacity when reviewing

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the benefits of projects.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So all these changes can be found in the Bcdc staff report and preliminary recommendation online. If you’re interested in that sort of thing.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay? Sorry. My computer’s thinking here. We also are working on some tools to help support local jurisdictions and creating their subregional plans

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in 2025, as we mentioned a few times, we will be publishing the final version of our online mapping platform. This will provide a lot of the regionally available data layers that Jackie mentioned to help it visualize existing conditions, map all of the strategic regional priorities, support and vulnerability assessments and could inform adaptation strategies and pathways.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the mapping platform data and functionality will be updated regularly by BCC. Staff when best new available science is published.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And again, you can see a preview of that online. Now, it doesn’t contain all of the data layers that the final version will or all of the functions. But it is a taste of of what you of what you can expect.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’re also begin in 2025

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to develop a local assistance program, and this will help provide support on how to create plans, support community capacity, especially in frontline communities and stay connected with resources. So you’ll be hearing more about that as we develop it in the future.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So this is just a visual look at at where we’ve been and what’s coming. We released the draft on September 16, th

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and we are frantically preparing for a public hearing on October 17, th in 2 days and public comment period ending on Friday, the 18th following, that we will respond to public comment publicly and revise the draft to develop a final draft that will bring to BCC’s commission for their hopefully potential adoption, and that is currently scheduled for December 5, th 2024, which puts us within the statutorily required timeline of adopting the guidelines by December 2024.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So this might be a little bit moot at this point unless you plan on spending the next 3 days reading this. But we we did want to offer just a couple of ways that you can dive into specific elements. And I know that Jen, in the staff report also suggested some certain areas that might be helpful to look at if you don’t want to read the entire 200 page document

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but of course we have an executive summary for a general overview requirements for local plans that Jackie walked through. There are certain areas where we touched on how we’ve incorporated equity where we’ve talked about

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: habitats and the health of the bay

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and certain areas where we’ve emphasized how the plan thinks about housing and development. So this, this, these slides will be posted. If you want to look at this slide more deeply.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and just want to reiterate, please, you know, feel free to submit public comment. As I said we are, we will listen to and consider all of your comments here today. But if you want us to publish your comments as public, this is the process through which to do that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And the last thing I want to mention just at that is that we are working with Ocean Protection Council and their Sb, one Grant program to make money available today for cities to be doing those plans. I think they’ve already

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: approved 6 or 7 grants for cities and counties in the Bay Area to develop these plans. And this is a noncompetitive Grant program that where applications are accepted on a quarterly rolling basis, the next deadline is December 20, th

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and we are working closely with Ocean Protection Council to decide how and where this funding goes in the Bay area with the emphasis on funding these plans. There’s also a technical assistance program available for cities and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: lower capacity communities to access to right to apply for these grant programs. So if you know anyone who is seeking funding for this. This is the program to do it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So with that. This is our contact information. If you have any additional questions, feel free to reach out.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and then I guess we can jump back over to just reviewing these discussion questions before we move the conversation forward.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So do I can take this off, or do you want me to leave the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: questions up? You can probably take it off. Okay. Also, do you want to mention how

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there is. There is built into this process now, future updates of the Rsop guidelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yes, good point. So we are planning on updating the Rsap guidelines approximately once every 5 years we know that our needs in the region will change sea level rise, science will become more refined, moving forward. So we are committed to sort of reassessing how things are going every 5 years. We don’t want to do it any more frequently than that, because we don’t want to continuously move the needle on on what cities and counties have to do.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’re also requiring strategic updates to the plans themselves. This, the sub regional shoreline adaptation plans to reflect the fact that these are active plans that should be implemented over time, and therefore the conditions will be changing and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: cities will be reporting that back to Bcdc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Right? Thank you, Dana and Jackie.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: At this point of the meeting we would like to receive any public comments

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Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Margie, are there any hands raised?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There’s no hand raised. Here. Okay, thank you.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay. Well, let’s return to board discussion.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Anybody on the board have a comment or a question.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and well, then, so then maybe I’ll ask a question.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: if the the guidelines are changing, and you’re updating the science every 5 years or so.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: What?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: What kind of provisions are there if a community or a city has

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: started down one pathway, and then

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there is a change that is significant to affect their planning.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: They’ve already committed, you know, resources and funds to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that effort. How to.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: How do they? Or would they be expected to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: find more money? Basically?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: No, I mean, this is why we don’t want to necessarily move the needle to too much. There is some flexibility with the guidelines. And you know, for example, now, if you already have a vulnerability assessment that is close to the sea level rise hazards that we list, but not exactly. There is a process to sort of like work with us, to account for work that is has already been done.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I anticipate that we will continue to do that. As we update the guidelines, a lot of the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: a lot of the work about making special accommodations or individual circumstances is going to be coming in the individual consultations that happen with cities and counties.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: It’s difficult to put out guidelines that apply for to every single situation and every potential like special condition. So we are prepared to work out a lot of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: how to actually make these guidelines work for individual communities as we’re doing our technical assistance program. That’s why we’re requiring so many consultations between BCC staff and cities and counties, so I don’t have like a blanket. Answer for that. Aside from the fact that, you know.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: assuming that it’s within reason and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there’s there’s an understanding of sort of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Why, we have the requirements that we do, and that doesn’t create significant differences in the outcomes.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: no matter what the situation. There’s always a commitment to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: trying to account for work that’s already been done, particularly when it’s a change that we we make ourselves. So yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: okay, thank you

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Oh, Bob Battaglia, I see your hand is raised.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thanks, thanks, Rod.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so. I just thought I’d jump in while other people are thinking.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Have the infrastructure entities. I guess that would be like altrans and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the water districts and the wastewater

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: districts, and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, Pg and E and etc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Have they developed?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: adaptation plans that include

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: clarification of how they’re going to maintain their infrastructure functions

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: with

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: sea level rise it? I I think that would be really helpful

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: communities to try to figure out. And I guess you could add levies into that into that. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah. So I? That’s my question.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I mean, I can say we’ve definitely we’ve had. I mentioned this advisory group of about 40 individuals. So we work really hard to try to include. Just there’s so many topics. So we’ve had Caltrans involved. Bart. You know we haven’t hit everybody, but we’ve tried to include some of those critical infrastructure folks. And we’ve thought about this a lot, this kind of outside of a city or government, we kind of call them like non-jurisdictional asset owners, and especially those that cross a lot of jurisdictional boundaries.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So we’ve done a lot to encourage that. They are part of these planning processes, and we really want to be doing that in our consultations and our discussions on ensuring that if there’s a wastewater treatment district and some are public and some are not. And so encouraging, even at that initial planning stage and project team that those folks are involved in the process.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And, as I said, there’s a lot of flexibility, too, and what these plans look like. And so they can include by reference some of the plans from those other entities. What we’re trying to do is ensure that planning is considered together and holistically, and that people aren’t doing things along a shoreline that nobody knows about, that they’re really kind of. There’s a space. Now to say, This is our strategy. So and so you know, this district owns this part of the shoreline. This is their plan, but it’s kind of part of the picture.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So that’s ultimately what we want. The law requires that cities and counties are the ones that create or at least adopt these plans, but we don’t specify who needs to lead the process. We just want to make sure that these jurisdictions are involved.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And in terms of what they’ve already done.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’ve had various conversations with different entities about. Some are kind of doing a lot of planning. Lots are interested in working with us and with the cities. And, as Dana mentioned, we’ll be doing a lot of technical assistance going forward. And we’re going to scope out our role as Bcdc. And how can we support those entities working with cities and counties? How can we make sure that these connections are being made to the extent possible?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, thank you for that. And I I know I I expected at least that you you’ve been working on this, but it seems that some of the entities for example.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and not to pick on anyone but like Caltrans, or Pg and E,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or the railways, and and the like. They

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it seems to me. I’m maybe I’m wrong, but they don’t really have in their 30 or 50 year plan

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: clear ways of protecting their assets.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I don’t think I don’t know that those are actually planned for.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, I could be wrong about that. And so I don’t mean to.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, act like they’re not working on it. But I I think from what I’ve seen in other places.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, the idea is, you have a right away, and you’re gonna stay in that right away. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know that may not actually work. And

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: even so, there’s a question, are you gonna raise it, or you know, what?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: How do you tie into that? What? How does that work?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I mean? It really varies. You know, I, Caltrans and Pg and E both have just vast amounts of of infrastructure in the State, and so there they might not have planned for everything.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But we have been work, particularly with Caltrans. We’ve been working with them quite closely on how they’re doing adaptation, planning in the region, and ideally

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: they plan

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: not on themselves and have a comprehensive picture for everything they’re going to do for every asset that they own in the Bay Area, not done in consultation with the cities, but ideally it is done in consultation with the cities, so that the approach for adaptation for a particular asset is reflective of local needs as well. So it’s not necessarily like a trap. You know the worst thing. They don’t have

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: a plan for every piece of asset, because we do think that it will be have better outcomes if they work in consultation with the cities and counties so hopefully, this process will help to kind of spur that along here in the Bay area, and they’ll you know the utilities will be good

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: partners, and it it really varies as well like I said. Caltrans really present. The rail lines, you know utility or rail rail owners.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: they’re very hard to get a hold of. So it’s

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: hard to answer that in a general sense, because it’s a case by case basis. Really.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah, I I just think it. I actually kind of feel like it would be a lot easier for the municipalities if

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there was a a bay vision that was a little more tangible in terms of where the major infrastructure corridors were gonna be, and part of the reason why I say that is because

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it’s not clear to me that they can stay where they are.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and I know that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: sounds like a

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: big judgment. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that’s

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: until that’s shown that they can stay where they are. I think it’s a dangerous assumption

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to assume that they will stay where they are

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in terms of, you know, big economic impact at some point in the future. Last lack of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: resilience, you know, kind of a brittle thing. And then, if everyone’s planning on things to be where they are and they’re they’re not that that could be a problem.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I don’t know. I just bring that up I don’t have a solution.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But in the ideal world

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there would be some

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: regional

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: adaptation

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: vision for all the infrastructure

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that most of us don’t really have any control over. But we need to use

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: is kind of where I’m coming. I think the the wastewater treatment districts are required.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: at least if they plan to do anything upgrade

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to consider sea level rise, and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’ll leave it with that. Thanks for listening to my no, I mean just one last thought. And, Jack, I have some thoughts, too, but we I think we do have components of that. I’m thinking of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: In our Bay area. We published a map with hotspots, which are areas where there’s sort of a cluster of different types of infrastructure growth geographies, vulnerable communities. It’s an overlaying of a bunch of different things. So that can be a starting point. For where we start looking at where infrastructure might need to be thought through first.st

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And we also have our strategic regional priorities which highlight the areas where

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there’s infrastructure that we rely on as a region. And therefore we should probably start thinking about those things sooner rather than later. And then the the question of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Does it stay in the same spot? I don’t think that’s a decision that I want the utilities to make on their own like, I think that’s a question that needs to happen in consultation. I agree a lot of them are right through a bunch of wetlands and and a few others. So they’ve they’ve been able to stay where they are. So far it’s been interesting. So I hope I’m hoping that we have much more robust conversations about those as we as people are developing these plans.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And I’ll just note quickly to in our one Bay vision section. So I just read kind of the top line of it. But we have a couple more for each category, and critical infrastructure is one we have that top line vision, and then some specific goals. And so we’re really careful about our language about maintaining the functions of these services. These are services we need. And we’re really clear and kind of we define protection as a type of adaptation strategy, but that we want people to reduce flood risk.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and that you can do that in a lot of ways. And that’s going to be dependent on those local conditions. There, you know, it’s we as trying to create these standards for the region. Wanna.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it’s an interesting line of like, how do we create those standards of maintaining the things that we need while allowing that local flexibility in the local conditions to dictate. What are the specific strategies to get there? So just take a, you know. Take a look at that it doesn’t go into a ton of detail. But we try to set that value upfront in our one day vision. You know, I think you guys have done a great job. I’ve looked at this report a couple times, and I don’t fully understand. I haven’t fully digested it, you know, like a lot of people. It’s hard to focus

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: 200 plus pages, you know. When you’re a lot of other things happening. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I but this brings me to the thought which I think you’re already aware of.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that everything’s going to be adaptive. The adaptive plan will need to adapt

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and respond to challenges.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And there’s gonna be a need for what I would call technical development ways to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: address

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: data gaps

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in a way that works both sub-regionally and regionally and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And so I think that adaptation concept, even though you’re not going to update the Rsap

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: more frequently than 5 years. I mean, I think it’s inevitable that it’ll

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: progress within the framework. I think you’ve done a really good job of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: laying it out, but I think it. I don’t know.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: It might be helpful to people to understand that this is going to be a little bit of an adventure, I think more broadly. You know, people like the cities. It’s not going to be a 1

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: time.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I think it’s going to be very iterative in multiple ways, multiple wheels turning. And

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah, and I, I, you know, because this is being adopted as a bay plan, and we don’t have the flexibility to update this on on a really super regular basis. We wanted the plan itself to be a bit timeless. And then the technical assistance program and the online mapping platform. Those are designed to be a lot more nimble and responsive,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and flexible in terms of what’s changing and the tools that we can provide to people. Which you know we’ll have tools in 3 years that we don’t have right now. And so I think that’s that’s our vision for how we we keep that nimble side.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, that’s excellent. i 1 more comment. I I would like to see more engineering.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Contribution and more content

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: within this process of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: technical development and adaptation. And I think there’s a a bunch of people that will

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: be interested in that, and.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, should be interested in it, and should be helpful

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in this regard. So

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but I’m gonna stop now and let someone else talk. And thank you. Appreciate it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thanks, Bob.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Anyone else with comments

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or questions.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Nope, remain. Oh, oh.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: let Romine go 1st and then. Okay.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: thank you. Thank you, Jackie. Thank you. Dana. Great presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: One thing that I think I’ve commented on previous discussions.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m having a hard time

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: kind of getting my head around

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Bcdc’s position

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on this whole issue, because this is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the bay impacting

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the shorelines. It’s not the other way around.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And because the charge of Bcdcs protect the waters of the bay.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we’re not talking about protecting the waters of the bay. Now you’re protecting shorelines from the bay.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so the narrative is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: flipped. So

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what I’m trying to get my head around is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: is Bcdc. Now providing

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: just providing guidelines, like, you say maps, for example, to local jurisdictions. So that the local jurisdictions

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: require this adaption.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Is that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what’s happening?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, so land uses is always local, and the projects that will occur along a shoreline in any city or county is not something that Bcdc. Will drive, that those will be driven by local developers, cities and counties themselves, utilities, etc, the owners and managers of of that land. That’s not Bcdc. So what the authority will you are given with Sb. 272 is not more authority

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in the Bay

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or within our jurisdiction, which does extend 100 feet, you know, upward from the shoreline, but we were given the authority to set out the parameters through which people

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: think about adaptation. These these adaptation plans

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and and develop those plans locally.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So we can put out our priorities. We can put out our regional vision. We can put out the priorities that the region thinks should happen.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: tie those to how cities and counties do adaptation locally?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But ultimately, and then we can review and approve those plans based on the consistency with the guidelines that we created.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But you know, the important thing is here is that it doesn’t Bcds. It doesn’t have any authority beyond that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So if if a city or county doesn’t do a plan, we don’t have the authority to make them

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that you know. Sb. 2, 72 mandates it. But you know

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: plenty of cities

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: don’t comply with state mandates because they don’t have the capacity, or it’s not a priority, or whatever. So our our authority is pretty conscripted in that sense based on what was given to us in the bill.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The other thing in question is, is this.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: with this sea level rise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Does the shoreline or do you’re the 100 feet?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Is it moving

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: as well? We anticipate that it will. Yes.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the original makers of the Mcateer Petrus act. Didn’t think about that at the time. That’s our interpretation of the law. But there’s a lot to unpack here about BCC’s jurisdiction. Bcdc’s authorities in the future. How to better link these plans to permitting in the future. Our

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: our commission has the rising sea level working group, and that’s really the venue that we plan on sort of workshopping a lot of these questions and identifying paths forward. And you know different roles that Bcdc could take on and play. And then how like the legal and policy pathways that would get us to that point. So if you are interested in that, in those questions. I I recommend, you know, attending those working groups. I think we have one in

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: November.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah. There’s 1 coming up in November.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but we’re we’re really just scratching the surface on, you know. Kind of what

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what Bcdc. Needs to do to change to meet.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, like you said the charge that we were given in 1965 was a bay that was shrinking. Now the bay is growing, so it it mandates a rethinking of of how we do our work.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you, Ramin geema! I think you had your hand up next.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Well, thank you so much for the great presentation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Like ramin. I’m trying to get my head around this thing, too.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: looking at

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the Senate bill. 2 72. It seemed like.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it’s all carrot. No stick.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: basically.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: You know, if you do the plan by January 1, st 2034,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know you’ve given priority for state funding.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but if you don’t.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: then

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that’s it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what I’m trying to get my head around is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this is the original problem.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Even if certain local jurisdiction

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: decide to do something

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: unless the adjacent jurisdiction do something. I mean, it’s not going to be.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: because we know that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know. Let’s say you want to address the issue of erosion along a shoreline.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: If you put

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: something a system there to minimize erosion

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: locally.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there are impacts

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on natural processes, you know, coastal processes

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that affects.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, adjacent

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: basically jurisdiction. So

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m kind of wondering, I mean.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: how the PIN is practical

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: going to work. If

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there isn’t a mechanism to ensure that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: everyone is doing something

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: because

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the issue is regional.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Sure. Yeah, yeah, we can. We can both kind of probably say a lot to this. Yeah, I mean, so kind of 2 2 points here, I mean, and maybe I’ll start by saying, you know, this. This plan is a starting point. It’s not gonna solve everything. I think that’s kind of important to know, too. So in the plan, in our element, a in our planning process. 1st off, we’re really encouraging cities and counties to work together, whether that’s a single plan that they create

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or separate plans. But we have a requirement that says, Tell us how you’re coordinating with your neighbor, and we want to see this. And in our consultation meetings we’re going to ask those questions about how are your strategies aligned? And so at various points of the process. You know, when we ask for people to assess different assets for those strategic regional priorities, those are the places where we’re really asking people to consider kind of impacts, or how they fit into a broader picture.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And beyond that, you know we are, they said, this is really a starting point. You know, there’s a lot of not only do we intend to do a lot more technical assistance in the plans, but we are working with other agencies. I think we intend as a region to develop out these programs.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: You know, for example, there’s a science consortium that’s kind of getting off the ground, and in the Baydap joint platform, which is kind of where the Rsap also stems from a lot of sources. We list out all of these different types of needs for the region. And some of it is on more of these cumulative impacts, which is what you’re you know you’re speaking to.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Those are hard to get at, you know, that takes a lot of kind of technical understanding. How does an adaptation strategy in this aspect actually affect those kind of hydrological processes, and the currents and the sediments and other places. And so I think, at least the way that I envision it is that we are. This is our starting point. We are going to iterate on this. As Bob was saying, too, this is an adaptive program, and that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we want to be building up partnerships and those resources to do some more of that planning. As the technology gets better. As we build out our partnerships as we get more funding, I think we see this only growing in terms of our ability to to make sure that people are putting in solutions that are not, you know, worsening things. And this is where we’re starting.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Did you add anything to that?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: no, I mean, you know, we are tracking the projects that people are proposing, and we don’t have a mechanism right now, for, like assessing, you know.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we don’t have a plug and play system for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: putting a project in and seeing how it connects to the neighbors. That’s a dream. So if you have some technical advice on us for that, that would be great. But until then we have to rely on kind of what what Jackie talked about. Given the absence of, you know the stick in the bill? Given the fact that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we we, you know, we have to kind of rely on the goodwill of people to to do the work and to work together. But ideally, we would have a better, a better way of assessing

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: of the impacts

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: if each individual project on the shoreline as a whole. But we’re just not there yet.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I would say there is a stick, but it’s down the line, and it’s if you don’t plan, you know, you will have these impacts, and we’ve done some of the studies, and we know the cost of inaction. It is far greater than the cost of doing something, and we have more opportunities when we plan ahead. And so I think, you know, there’s eventually a consequence to not planning. But obviously we want to be working with the encouragement. And you know, working in the system that we have.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you. Geema

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: is the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: ultimately is the stick going to be? Well, you’re not going to get your shoreline development permit.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: unless you

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: not, as of now, there’s no plans to to do that. Because the plans are not linked to permitting at this point.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Maybe that’s a path we explore in the future. But I I’m not gonna say that. That’s

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: okay. Thank you, Jim.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Your hand up.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: thanks. I’m like Ramine and Jim, I guess, trying to get wrap my head around this. I’m not not a planner. Sometimes I’m glad that I’m a geotechnical engineer. Sorry could you lean into your mic a little bit more? Thank you.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Sometimes I’m glad I’m a geotechnical engineer, because it’s an easy

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: field to wrap your hands around and you just stomp on the ground, and there’s there’s your field.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I just a couple quick observations on doing a control F search to the document. There’s no mention of settle or settlement.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m not sure what belongs in a planning document. Exactly, but if we’re talking about what the hazards are, I think, settle and settlement are a couple of things that matter.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: That are going to affect how you design things and what’s going to be a problem in the future. If you’re designing fills to target we I mean, we’ve talked about this in

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: most of our Ecrb meetings, I guess, is that that fills settle.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So if you’re designing a levy for an elevation, it’s you need to overbuild it by some amount that can be calculated. It’s not not difficult. This engineering. I’m not sure how much this is a planning topic, but it needs to be associated with this

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: document in some way or other.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: No mention of stability or slope stability or levee stability, which is kind of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the whole

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: ball of wax in

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in flood protection in many areas where where you

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we were not just built. At least 14 feet or 15 feet above sea level.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but where a levee is going to be protecting you, stability, slope, stability, levee, stability are are

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: are crucial again. I’m not sure exactly what belongs in a planning document like this. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I was

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: started off, being somewhat distraught to see there was only one mention of the word geotechnical in the whole document, and that was with respect to barriers or conflicts, but no instructions as to what needs to be performed.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There’s no instructions or expectations or no, no

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: hinting that geotechnical work is needed.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But then I felt pretty good when I realized geotech had one mention, but structural had 0 references.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and civil had 0 references.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and geologist is not mentioned ever.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There are 2 mentions of the word geological

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but it’s not with regard to studies that are needed. So I’m not sure again, what belongs in a study, Doc. In a planning document.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But as the engineering Criteria Review Board. Eventually, what we care about is what engineering criteria get

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: suggested or promulgated, or, you know, carried it, or sticked, or whatever

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: happens there.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There’s 2 mentions of liquefaction. That’s not too bad. Maybe that’s enough.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I didn’t have a chance to read the whole document, but multimodal hazards seems to be a critical

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: issue. I think there’s a lot of emphasis on

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on sea level rise, which is clearly what the topic of the document is.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But we’ve talked about this with Sfo recently, and with other projects about how earthquakes affect us. Earthquakes are mentioned several times in the document.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Maybe adequately. I’m not sure.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: one thought observation I had early in your presentation. You had this statement. These guidelines are designed to drive effective local adaptation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but I think it might be useful to if it could be thought of as to drive and facilitate

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: adaptation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: a lot of it seems like it’s sort of just laying down rules and regulations and hoops for people to jump through rather than saying, Let’s help you. Let’s show you

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what can be done

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: along those lines. I don’t know that this belongs in a planning document like this, but somewhere, I think it would be useful if

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there can be some way that you’re suggesting, recommending, requiring

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: engineering standards, guides, etc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Maybe it becomes an appendix to this document. Maybe it’s just a referenced document that exists someplace else in terms of.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, sticks and promulgation. I’m not sure that these guidelines are

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: necessarily within the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: purview of a planning document. It’s it’s it’s

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: sometimes ambiguous maybe about

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: whether it’s in the purview of Bcdc overall. And we have. And that’s why we have an engineering criteria Review board, because it’s not a simple, straightforward question, and it changes in every project changes year by year sometimes. And

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know frankly, everybody on the board here doesn’t always agree about every question. Although interesting, we’re interestingly, we’re really pretty close on most stuff.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So it seems like maybe there should be. It would be. I think it would be helpful along the lines of facilitating, not just driving

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: effective local adaptation things to. I just.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I think the list is probably not huge, but several pages long. I have just a handful of things that I thought of along the way. Us. Corps of Engineer Levy regulations

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: 44 Cfr. 65, 10, etc, and related.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: You have before and after 65, 10,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the marine oil terminal. Whatever

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: document Motems probably should be referenced. Someplace.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the the Cfr. 65, 10. That’s the fema

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: of coastal floodplain regulations. I think

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that you mentioned you mentioned Cfr. 65 10.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to. I’m sorry, didn’t I probably shouldn’t have interrupted. But I just wanted to point out, that’s

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that’s the those are the Fema regulations and the federal regulations. I think that’s the section you’re referring to? Right? Okay? Thanks.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yes. Yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: fema has other levy regulations as well as as 44 Cfr California building code. Cbc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and that references Asce 7, which talks about loading criteria demands what you’re designing for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: American lifelines.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Alliance

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: has lots of information, probably emphasizing earthquakes, but they also are concerned about floods.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Katrina is is a

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: within the jurisdiction of or within the area of concern of American lifelines alliance.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and those are just a handful of things that I thought of, but I think there’s I mean, you probably yourselves could rattle off a handful of other things related to sea level rise in particular.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And so on.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, I think these are really great. For inclusion in our technical assistance program. We want to provide as many targeted resources as we can. So if we.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: if you don’t mind putting together a detailed list of the standards that you think

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: should be, you know that we should be using here in the Bay Area. That would be very helpful as we build our our Ta library. How about this? You get paid more per hour doing this kind of work than I do not engineers. So we don’t have the the technical. I would suggest maybe you or Jen, or whoever throw together, you know.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: just an initial draft list and say, can you add on to this? We can and we can.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We can add on to that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’ll just say that was really helpful. Thanks for including those. Yeah. I mean as

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this, this is a planning document, and we’ve we’ve brought this to you all before, too, about kind of what’s that line between planning for strategies and designing them? And it’s just not a super clear line. I think everybody’s at a different place as well. Some local jurisdictions are just going to be drawing kind of lines on the map. It’s going to be conceptual. Other places are going to have, you know, actual projects which which have some of this.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But to your point I think we can probably do a better job of making it clear that like that is the ultimate endpoint. And there’s you know, there’s a lot of considerations when you get to project design, and maybe there’s even some considerations, even at that planning scale. So it’s just that’s kind of the area. Where how far do we take it? What can we require? So I took a lot of notes on that. And actually, maybe you could even say, you know, feel free to contact Bcdc staff, we’d like to help you

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: do your plans. Yeah, we’re not. We’re not the regulator against you, but we’re

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: we’re trying to protect the bay, and we’d like to make it as easy as possible.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Hey? I think there’s a complete place for planning document like what you have here. Everything you have seems to be

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: good.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and I as ecrb, but also as a consultant that gets assigned a project. You know City calls up and says, Can you?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Can you give us proposal

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to comply with this Bcdc document. I’m going well.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what the heck do you want?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And you know it’s going to be

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it. It leaves things in a sense too wide open for for the cities and counties, and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Caltrans, and other, whether whatever agencies and utilities are trying to respond to this and and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, we need to know what as a consultant or as ecrb. Even the more

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: guidelines we can have, the easier it is.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay. Thank you, Jim.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Patrick, have your hands up

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: whether or not there’s much of a carrot, probably a lot of jurisdictions, will, you know, jump on this, and and some won’t, but some will. It seems like 2034 is a long ways away. So can you tell us a little bit about

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the timeline between?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: You know, when this gets finalized and published in 2034 are there.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or do you envision some intermediate deadlines? Or are we all just waiting for 2034,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: is Bcdc going to lead some workshops or something? And to get these jurisdictions together to share ideas. What’s that process going to look like.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah, I mean, our legal. Our legal department’s interpretation is that we can’t set any intermediate deadlines that are required, because that was, that’s a legislatively mandated deadline. We think it’s a long time, too. We certainly want people to be doing these plans before that. So the technical assistance program that we’re setting up. We know some early adopters are already underway.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So we’ll probably kind of like right out of the gate. There will be folks who’ve already been doing adaptation plans, and they want to get that eligibility for funding. You know. Whatever that that benefit is. We don’t actually know what that pot of money is quite yet.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Depends on how the climate bond goes, I guess.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and we will also be doing outreach to cities that we know haven’t done any adaptation planning yet, and might take them a while to get up to speed.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We’ll be doing workshops, most likely, you know. We’ll be facilitating everything we can to get people to get these plans started sooner rather than later. We have a consultant right now. That’s developing a Ta program work plan for us that will sort of lay out some of the options that we have

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: for how to get that catalyzed. But you know we’re certainly not going to be sitting around for 10 years just waiting for plants to come in. We’re going to be actively working with

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: with our cities and counties to to make sure that they’re getting started, and also some of them, it may take 10 years to get to a point where they have built up that level of capacity, so assessing where everyone is and what they might need to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: get going on. This is probably going to be a a big part of our early years as well.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I I think it. Yeah. It makes sense that you can’t. You know, make a legally legally required intermediate deadline, because

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there’s no real requirement for them to comply at all, even by 2034. But I wonder if there are some creative ways that you could have some kind of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: intermediate deadlines, even if they’re somewhat voluntary. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: again, there might be some carrots that Ecdc. Could throw out there.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: To at least get some jurisdictions to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: submit something, you know, for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: intermediate review. It seems like that would

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: help the process a lot.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah. And that idea has come up. We’ve heard it from a couple of different cities, especially the ones who already have some work, and they want us to review it early. And so we have the 3 required consultations, as people are developing their plans, and those could be tied. You know, we could have sort of interim deliverables at each of those

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: at each of those consultations, maybe like a recommended benchmarks, for you know by net by at this point, you know, you should have this, and we’ll go over it with you before you move on to your next step. Our intention is certainly that nobody submits a plan that Bcdc. Hasn’t isn’t thoroughly familiar with already, particularly because we’re requiring local adoption prior to submittal to Bcdc.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so I think it does make sense to have sort of interim steps where we review pieces over time. So it’s definitely come up. And I think it’s a really good idea to manage this this process and help it accelerate and stay on track.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you. Thank you.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Well.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: let me let me follow up with just one quick observation. I

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: had to sit through a city council meeting recently for a contract approval.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and in that meeting you know, I and I know I know there’s an election coming up. But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: they it’s, you know, the condition of cities sounded pretty dire.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know I’m just worried about. And I think maybe this 10 year

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, timeline makes sense.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to give some of these cities that are just really having financial difficulties.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, time to plan for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and try to figure out how to fund

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this work, and I don’t think it’s going to be

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: incredibly cheap. I think you know, the consultants are, gonna

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: have, you know, in in the requirements here.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There’s a lot of requirements, right? So I think it’s going to be, you know, a significant effort.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: maybe, you know. And the carrots, you know we keep on talking about carrots at 6. I think one of the carrots is.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, being able to help

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: jurisdictions with grant funding.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or you know or point them into the right direction and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: showing them what’s worked before.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, that’s why we’ve been working with Opc on their Sb one grant program and help like telling people to apply to that one. And I think the more scopes of work we see through grant programs and potentially for consultant scopes of work the better we’ll be able to help people hone in on exactly what the level of effort is. But, like, as you said, it really depends on where they’re starting from as well. Yeah.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: thank you. Sorry, Ajima. You had a

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: quick, a quick

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah, that’s like.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m kind of wondering. I’m kind of surprised by the Senate, because

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there’s an equivalent

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Senate Bill, Senate Bill, 1953, about

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: seismic retrofit of hospital.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And and what has happened over the years is.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, hospitals wait until

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know it’s get into 2030,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and then they realize they can’t do it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Alright. So

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I I was hoping. I mean this. This is in support of what

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Rodent just said, too, that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: if there’s a way to encourage

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this local jurisdiction.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you actually start on something.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know. Then by 2024, you will get something. Otherwise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, we all procrastinate right

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: until it gets towards the deadline.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and then you realize one. You don’t have enough time.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or you don’t have enough resource to to do the work.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Bill.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, thanks. I just wanted to go back and expand a little bit on a comment that Geema had about considering adjacencies of jurisdictions. And I’m wondering

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: if there is scope in this document to consider, perhaps buffer or transitionary zones between adjacent jurisdictions, particularly where the adaptation strategies may differ significantly

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: for various reasons, and perhaps that would be a situation where retreat is considered by one jurisdiction and hardening of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the the shoreline as part of the strategy for an adjacent jurisdiction, and perhaps having a transition zone at least where the strategies

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: are considerably different.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I and I know that you’re limited on the number of sticks that are available, but perhaps at least saying that the strategies need to be mutually compatible, or do no harm to the adjacent jurisdiction

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: might be something that can be written into the the regulations, even if it’s not part of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this document that would inform

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: regulations coming down the line.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I think that’s a great idea. Thanks for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: thanks for sharing.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you, Bill.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I’m bob

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: your hand up.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yes, thank you, Ron.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I have a couple of quick thoughts about how engineers

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: can help.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I do think informed planning is important. Especially when you’re talking about adaptation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And just one comment on that. My experience has been that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, reality isn’t really a democratic process. And when you ask people what they want.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: sometimes you hear things that they want, but may not be realistic.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And then you argue about what is realistic.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and that’s where you kind of wish you had some standards that were well vetted, and that you had some

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: assistance from practitioners like engineers to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: explain to people things like codes and building standards. And you know, reality.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: so but one. So that’s kind of a general statement. But but one area. I think the ecrb or flood control agencies, etc, could help with.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: engineering criteria. Specifically, the sea level rise criteria based on

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: kind of a a characterization of a project or an area in terms of the risk profile

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: property and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: life safety.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And you know, perhaps also, that could be broadened to include ecology.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: which is not necessarily engineering. But there are a number of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: There’s a strong restoration practice in the Bay area. So

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it is multidiscipline. But there are a lot of engineers involved in it that can help balance different things.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah. And speaking of that, one of the the tools that we developed for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: large scale wetland restoration

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: planning. You know, we collectively in the Bay area

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: is what I call hydrogeomorphic modeling

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: that’s been. That term’s been used a lot. But by that what I mean is predicting how the landscape changes

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: based on a change or progression.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or both of drivers.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: such as sea level rise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and there are like simplified models, such as the slam sea level affecting Mars model.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: That, for example, can be used in a gis framework to predict

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: how

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: emergent wetlands and other wetlands, you know, habitats

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: will evolve when you change sedimentation or sea level rise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I think that’s really important, the habitat part of the hydrogeomorphic modeling.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Because,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: as we all know.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: people exist in certain areas and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: they want to stay where they are.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and so they think about staying. And then yet the bay moves, and so you get the coastal squeeze and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the reality of the implications of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: not doing anything or just staying where you are

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in a moving framework is that that creates adverse effects

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: on public trust, resources and other people.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and that needs to be kind of internalized into the commute, the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the communication or the equation.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: because otherwise it’s external.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And then people just sit

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and you lose your wetlands or whatever

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but within the hydrogeomorphic modeling is also the event type, modeling like flood modeling.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And so these types of things have been done for the Napa Salt Pond Complex. That’s about 10,000 acres

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: for the South Bay Salt Ponds. There was

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: an attempt to actually predict how the Bay would respond to sea level, rise back in the phase one or the programmatic phase.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: there’s a lot of other examples especially on the Pacific Coast, where this has been tried, and it’s very useful, because number one, you get a baseline

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: as to what will happen, and then you can compare alternatives to that baseline. And also you then can tease out

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what the implications are to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: one area doing something and how it affects other areas. So you get your integration regional integration.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and then, you know, department of water resources is looking at

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: how to make future conditions, flood maps that look like Fema and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, the cosmos and art maps, in my view, aren’t really sufficient

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to clarify

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: what it means

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to have

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: a higher sea level and inundation, especially in terms of a where a V zone is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: or where there’s compound flooding.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: which is a hot topic. Obviously.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So, I think that there’s opportunities to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: through the processes that you’ve already identified.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know the mapping and the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: policy planning framework and the technical assistance program

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to kind of develop a, you know, a technical development program to help people and standardize things.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And I and I think also, you’ll probably need somebody to look at things and say, Well, you know, as

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: experienced engineers, not just scientists and planners, but actually experienced engineers

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and say, Well, you know this.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it’s probably gonna be a little different. Or this is what you think. You know. They just kind of have some judgment on

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: some of these plans.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and I know Jan can help a lot with that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: but it’s hard for

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: one person to do everything.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And so maybe if you add more staff, you might.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know, think about that.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to support them. Anyways, those are just some of my thoughts. So I think engineers can be very helpful.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: especially engineers in San Francisco Bay that have

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: worked on these multi-objective problems for decades

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: in regional context.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: romine had was had his hand up or and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Ben, we’ll call on you next.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Oh.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: oh, okay.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: yeah. I just wanted to comment what Bob just said.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: you know,

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: it’s become clear that that

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: having some

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: bay modeling that’s focused on Bcdc’s mission

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: would be extremely helpful, and we don’t have the staff or the budget to do any of that right now. But there’s a lot, you know I’ve been initiating, initiating a lot of talk about it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and even also just to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: get some more accurate dates on sea level rise projections. I mean, I know the Rsap right now is just looking at this range, but it’s really important to have, because we have such limited financial resources for this adaptation. Having

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: somewhat

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: reasonably

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: realistic projections of

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: where the water is going to be, at what year.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and really is really important for capital improvement, planning on funding plans.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and how high should things be when you put them in, or when?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: And and the modeling, I think, is really key to help within San Francisco Bay, because it’s so unique in its geometry and

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and with all the wetland restoration that’s going on to expand it. So we we have applied for some grants to do some modeling, but it’s something that’s definitely on my radar to to push forward in the future.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thanks for suggesting.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you, Ramin.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: My friend Geema mentioned Sb. 1953, which is the seismic retrofit requirements for acute care

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: centers.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: facilities are islands.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: This is a regional issue.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and I, you know we can talk about engineering. That’s that’s fine.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But this has to be a mandate, or it will never get done.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: and we go back to

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: one jurisdiction, does it? The next one doesn’t do it or can’t do it.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: The framework has to be in the context of a mandate that has to come from the State and State has to take the leadership

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to make it happen otherwise.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: This is all good, and you’re you’ve done excellent work here, but it really.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: unless this is a mandate, it’s it’s going to be very difficult to achieve whatever

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: is intended to be achieved.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, thank you. Oh, Bob, you’re gonna say something.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I was just gonna say, yeah, this is

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: About 20 years ago I I told somebody I was interested in this, and they told me there’s no way in the United States that you’ll ever have regional coastal zone management.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: It’s just not gonna happen. And this person was

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: pretty well, politically connected. I won’t get into specifics.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: But

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this is the San Francisco Bay Area, and so we’ve done a lot of cool things in the past.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: So I mean. I I share what Ramin said, but you know it’s a worthy

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: endeavor, and I think you guys have done a great job. I think you’ll continue

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: to do a great job with it. It’s although it’s going to be difficult.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Things can be very difficult.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Nice.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, thank you, Bob, for the encouraging words for staff.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Any other? Any further questions? Comments.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, seeing none.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: I think that concludes the Board’s consideration on this topic. Thank you very much for the presentation and the

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: the Q. And a.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Yeah, thank you so much for the thoughtful comments.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: let’s continue on here.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: this concludes our meeting agenda. So I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Is there a motion to adjourn? You guys want to just hang out for a long?

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you. Do I have a second

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: second. Okay, all in favor.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Aye, aye, all those opposed.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Okay, the motion to adjourn passes, and we are now adjourned.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: Thank you all, and have a great rest of the day.

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: We got finished at

Margie Malan, BCDC HOST: 2, 43.