May 20, 2021 Financing the Future Working Group Audio Recording Transcripts

Larry Goldzband: record to the cloud, and it is going so.

Zack Wasserman: Recording alright so we'll start again welcome good morning all um I think if i'm seeing correctly, we have two Commissioners on myself and pat share Walter.

Larry Goldzband: And Jim a graph.

Larry Goldzband: Is there, there is.

Zack Wasserman: You know he's an alternate.

Jim McGrath: dad can you show up.

Zack Wasserman: But we always are appreciative when Jim is President because he always has good contributions, as well as good background slot.

Zack Wasserman: All right, with that.

Zack Wasserman: Larry sort of did, but I don't know if Larry if you want to do any more specific introduction of matt before he begins the presentation.

Larry Goldzband: Well let's.

Larry Goldzband: let's let's go quickly through every yeah.

Zack Wasserman: Thank you.

Zack Wasserman: I think significantly from that most of us know each other.

Zack Wasserman: Bob you start off your next on my screen.

Zack Wasserman: i'm chair of DC DC just for the record.

Bob Spencer: Bob Spencer with urban economics.

Zack Wasserman: mark.

Mark Northcross: Working with us, and he advisors were in this bond people.

Zack Wasserman: Michael.

Michael Paparian: Mike riparian of former deputy state treasurer now working on various green bond related projects with uc Berkeley and the climate bonds initiative out of London.


Jim Cervantes: hi Jim Cervantes, I was a fairly was studying in work, a staple Nicholas and other respawn person.

Jim Cervantes: retired so months ago reconnected with Larry who seniors I rejoined this group, where I had been before so good to see you all.

Zack Wasserman: Welcome john.

John Coleman: Good morning john Coleman a planning Polish in my office actual today.

Jim Cervantes: hey oh.

Zack Wasserman: yeah happy.

Kathy Schaefer: hi Kathy schaefer PhD candidates studying alternatives to the national flood insurance program and if there's a few minutes at the end I just like to give an update on the risk rating to point out that I think may be of interest to the.

Larry Goldzband: Wireless Kathy don't worry.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Warner chabot executive director San Francisco estuary Institute.

Zack Wasserman: Chad.

Chad Spitler: Chad spitler CEO of third economy where a sustainable investment, research and advisory firm.

Zack Wasserman: JESSICA.

Zack Wasserman: JESSICA is still muted.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: hey sorry that either turn on my video i'm JESSICA pain planning director at BC BC.

Zack Wasserman: Thank you and Roger.

Zack Wasserman: And Roger is still muted.

Zack Wasserman: We have left the technical knowledge ugly challenge for last.

Roger Davis: Okay, so I seem to have succeeded in unmuted to be fortune for cross.

Roger Davis: which illustrates my capabilities i'm Roger Davis from more current and sutcliffe's public finance law group.

Zack Wasserman: alright.

Zack Wasserman: Larry.

Larry Goldzband: Thank you so First let me ask that you all mute yourselves well matt is making his presentation.

Larry Goldzband: matt has been kind enough to come on over the screen from Los Angeles, where he is principal.

Larry Goldzband: Acting principal engineer, if I remember correctly or principal engineer I don't remember if you're still acting from the La county flood control district, you will remember that we had a presentation, a few months ago from the originators of La county's measure w.

Larry Goldzband: which tended to cause some definite discussion among the group about how it could or could not be seen as analogous to what members of this group may or may not want to do.

Larry Goldzband: And one of the things that came out from that discussion was the big question of okay it's a great idea, but how does it really work so.

Larry Goldzband: I was able to reach out to matt through our mutual colleagues.

Larry Goldzband: And somehow convinced him that it would be worthwhile for him to spend say 45 minutes or so with us in a presentation and answering questions about just that.

Larry Goldzband: How does measure w work and what are the processes, etc, so that we can gain a deeper understanding about just really the logistics and the infrastructure behind it, so if there are no questions matt i'm going to ask you to take yourself off mute and share your screen.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): All right, good morning to the Commission.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Can everyone hear me Okay, and do you see the cover slide.

Larry Goldzband: we're all good.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): All right, excellent well thanks again for the invite I know you said you kind of had to convince us to do it, but this is something that we we enjoy doing it, so one of a kind unique Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That we believe, has a lot of models and other pieces that can be of benefit across the state and the nation as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): so grateful to spend a little bit of time with you, as was mentioned my name is matt ferry and principal engineer at La county flood ritual district when you hear of La county flood control district.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): it's a special district under the umbrella of what we call public works, and we, for a variety of reasons that I think we're touched on previously.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Where the jurisdiction that made the most sense to pursue the funding measure that became measure w as was mentioned.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I think the conversation began a few months ago there was a contact with our board of supervisors and one of the prominent NGOs that played a big role down there as well, which was heal the bay and then it sounds like it was Leslie who gave that presentation.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And if she POPs in that'd be wonderful she's still involved with us in the implementation process today in a strategic advisor capacity but.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): it's my branch of the flood control district that really runs the day to day and implements the Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I have been in the water world for about 17 years and, while measure w was being first developed, I was running what was called our strategic planning section, so we were involved on the periphery providing input.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): As That was all shaped up after was passed by the voters, I was brought into a new role that actually then included implementation of the Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So my understanding today was that we'd really get to provide a real brief refresher and i'll actually pull up some of these slides just to help connect the dots hopefully that will be familiar for many.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then really focus on more of the mechanics of implementation, so how tax is collected and allocated how everything is administered how results are or will be measured as well, but certainly I can address questions about that are beyond afterwards as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So i'm flashing this one up on screen just again as real high level context, all the water resilience challenges that many of you are aware of, and you have to face as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Where some of the driving forces it's just a fun visual that we use to set up this conversation often You may recall Leslie had a slide like this.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): To kind of just lay out the context about what the need was for this program these are exactly what her bullets were.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): It is the the you know all of these conditions existed and really kind of set things up.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): For where we stood there was a prior attempts to do something like this, they had failed before what became known as measure w and so a few things changed bringing about this full picture here.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That laid the path for moving forward to what measure w was and again i'm not going to drill into that unless there's Q amp a about it later.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): This is the other side of hers that I just wanted to put up as a beginning, starting spot all the conditions for success, this is key, because these conditions for success.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): During development really stand fast during implementation we need most of these things to be functioning well, even during implementation for all the successful mechanics to kind of fall into place.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Again they're on screen I think again BC DC as much experience with a lot of these things, but really the whole package was essential.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then again before we dive into some fun pictures just a bunch more text again to really highlight the framework that set up these mechanics.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): As you know, there had been decades of people in the region and across the state looking into these types of resilience issues is water quality in and of itself enough to bring voters to the table, believing it's it's a priority.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so, when this last go around came about it had been reframed to be multi benefit.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): It was still linked to resilience and you can see, back in 2017 or the board motions came to be, we had a piece of legislation that established the taxing authorization.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Eventually, all this leading to being passed by the voters, there was a first ordinance that became codified with that action.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then, a year later, the implementation ordinance came about and that's where all the nitty gritty was fleshed out that's where i'll be speaking about more today.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We also had a lot of supplemental implementation guidance that came alongside that law to really help facilitate that ongoing adaptive management.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): don't worry about all these documents, this just being a snapshot to show here's a sampling of all those different types of documents that have been necessary.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): they've really proven invaluable to make this thing work to fly the plane, we continue to fly the plane, while building the plane, I know.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Many of us are familiar with that type of predicament, but it's been a real successful, and we have the first batch of these documents come out right after the implementation ordinance.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We had a lot of early refinement in 2020 and there's much more this year and, beyond that will still help really refine and ensure smooth smooth operations of the Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then maybe the last major piece of context, just to refresh on what the money is how much where it comes from.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): This is a special parcel tax that comes from the calculated impermeable area right that was one of the nexus four stormwater runoff.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): and two and a half cents per square foot adds up to about 281 million annually across the flood control district boundaries.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): With that annual revenue it's split across three pots of money, the regional the municipal and that scd that's the flood control district that's our own district prop that covers the administration, it covers the special educational programs and things of that nature as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I will quickly highlight where this calculation comes from a lot of fancy technology goes into this calculation, we have aerial imagery all working together that really gives us a very accurate data set that is used to create that tax.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We work closely with our assessor our otter controller to prepare the tax roll send that out on annual property tax bills and there's, of course, a few exemptions that come into play for those that are not subject to the text, you can see those on screen.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): One of the key premises we'll talk about is equity and so a lot of the exemptions and these tax relief options.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): are really intended to release any undue burden in certain spots across our taxpaying population and then there's a lot of other just opportunities that are really linked to incentives.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We want to do incentivize the goals of the program through tax relief where appropriate and that's where the credit program the credit trading program come into come into play.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Individual Homeowners commercial properties anybody that is taxed can receive reductions if they align with the program goals.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): These are those things again not going to read each of the pieces here.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But I think it's just important to pause that again this this laid the groundwork, this was a theme, these were themes through development and these themes again, or what has made us successful in this early implementation so far.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Collaboration obviously always going to be key asset management, though, one of the key things that sets this program apart from others, is that it includes funding for operation and maintenance.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That nothing that goes into the ground will be left stranded and that's a really good win for the whole region, because no taxpayer wants to see their money spent and then lose that benefit five years down the road.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): As I mentioned the equity there's a lot of different components to that we can go into more detail of course stewardship of public funds is essential.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And we have a very, very robust reporting and auditing process that's built in, and we have now that we have a couple years under our belt.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): we've got some slick interfaces to facilitate that process and again lots and lots of data coming in, that will be able to demonstrate how taxpayer money has been used as they had hoped.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then, of course, education and Community engagement goes a lot with collaboration, but this is directly with all the stakeholders, all the public anyone and everyone that we can get to that is already interested or might or should be interested as well, and so that that lays the groundwork.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): This is a breakout of the pie chart that you saw previously that 281 million.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You can see on the left hand side, the three main parts are split up a little bit further, especially that 50% 85% of it goes towards infrastructure projects that's the basketball that's a requirement by ordinance.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But there's these really other important pieces of it, the technical resources program to ensure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That there are there is assistance to develop feasibility studies and start feeding projects where certain people may not have the technical resources or abilities to.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): be eligible this program will actually help them come alongside provide resources to do that and then scientific studies also have this nexus to program goals.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That provide something for the whole region that can be studied, to again help advance the program goals down the road.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The breakout from the district program just shows the components of those educational programs and actually 20% of that fund has to go to that.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): On a rolling five year basis that's five and a half million dollars annually that goes towards educational programs and was a really big selling point for the measure but also going to be critical and continuing to kind of adapt if we manage the project during implementation.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I don't know who still here with la, but this is a snapshot of La county and the flood control district in particular really just to show that we've divided this up into nine watershed areas.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The whole governance structure is watershed based for the regional program and we will be talking mostly about the regional program here i'll go back one slide briefly just to acknowledge again.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): There are the two other programs district I mentioned has administration and those educational programs the municipal side is where cities actually receive a local return.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Based on how much tax revenue they're generating within their boundaries and there's maximum flexibility there.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Which again was a selling point for the measure because they were getting ownership, yes, they had to meet the goals of the Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But there's a lot of leeway for them to discern how to best spend that money that comes back within their jurisdiction, the reason i'm focused on the regional program is because this is the most visible the most governs the most complicated.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Something that is, I think, a model that can be considered across other jurisdictions, you can see everybody's allocation on an annual basis across those nine watersheds.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then, again, I know, nobody nobody might care how much we invested in the first year down here, but it gives you some perspective of scale, at least.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): In year one this has already been approved by our board of supervisors 380 million dollars over the first five years that includes over 100 million and just the first budgeted year.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then I put the second year there as well, just so you can see that there's no shortage of demand this program doesn't have a an end date, if you will, it has a reevaluation after 30 years.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so we were encouraged that in year two there was just as many projects submitted as in year one and we don't expect that to slow down anytime in the future.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): This is where might get interesting though, because now we're talking about the the governance of that regional program and one of the things that we.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Had prioritize from the very beginning, something I think that Leslie had probably highlighted was how important it was to have diverse representation and get the right voices speaking and sitting on the steering committees.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so every one of those nine watershed areas has what's called a watershed areas Steering Committee, the walk and they each comprised of 17 members shown on the screen.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You can see on the right hand side, how they come about there's either a self selection process or there's an appointment process by the board.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then actually that watershed coordinator position at the bottom which we'll talk about in a minute is selected by the wasps themselves the other 17 members.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But I do want to highlight the it's it is diverse that goal is is there, you can see, there are seven municipalities.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Because down in the La area there's a whole lot of municipality, so this typically does not cover you know all of them within a single watershed their representatives, and they work together.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Often, as one voice in these capacities and then and the next branch of agency seats those green ones, you can see the flood control district ourselves sit says one seat.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then we typically have the largest service provider, we have the largest water agency, the groundwater and see the sanitation districts, the parks and open space or recreation type agencies.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And their key players in the whole world of water management, but then we move to the yellow boxes, which are all of the Community stakeholder seats.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Again this sets it apart, a little bit from kind of how our government works down in the region.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Some of you might be familiar with integrated regional water management it's a statewide program really defaulted to grant.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): operations, you know, a dangling carrot, in that sense, but it's really as a philosophy that unfortunately.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): lost some of its collaborative nature over the years and so we're cycling water it's actually built back in it's mandated into these spots where we.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Make sure that we do get to hear from business representatives environmental justice other environmental representatives and those at large seats across our nine watershed areas are usually filled by.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You know, Joe Smith or a member of the public or a you know, a certain coalition of NGOs or academia, it really ranges the whole spectrum and we've got some really good representation that brings that balanced voice and Community perspective.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That last spot I mentioned is a watershed coordinator and they're essential to this effort, because as anybody.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Would would tell well, as we all know, I guess.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): there's a perception often a reality right that some agencies, especially public sector are not in touch with the communities.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): With the watershed coordinators and liaison both directions between agencies between the committee's and between their communities.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): To really help connect the dots discern what's going to be the most meaningful project concepts to pursue to help bring in the right parties connects technical resources where it for those that need it, and all of these features that are up on the screen as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then beyond those nine steering committees just wanted to quickly acknowledge, we have two other tiers of governments before it goes to the board of supervisors and i'll use the crazy slide on the next.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Next screen to show you the flow path, but we have what's called a regional oversight committee and we have a scoring committee in both inconsistent experts that align with all the program objectives.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And they have some other cursory functions as well, for instance, the scoring committee serves as our appeals panel, for you know the credit, the tax credits and things like that.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But they will each have a core function that all serve to ultimately bring a set of recommended funding expenditures for the regional Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And it looks like this, so Larry this is this is that slide right, how do you read this, this is a crazy one, so I put this in here just for you.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But it actually is really meaningful and and I want to just point out a couple things about this, the workflow is complicated, but it represents really the robust governance, the the complete comprehensive collaborative view that the program has targeted.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And you're you're recalling a pie chart that the regional program had three subplots and that's the orange blue and green boxes here.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Different different types of financial pursuits that one might make, and they all get a submitted through a call for projects that goes into that project module.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And that's where the committee is the governance committee start to get involved the scoring committee actually rates this across criteria.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And we can talk about what those scoring criteria are if interest, but the steering committees themselves.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Then use that score as a data point, along with all of the other technical factors, the political factors, the know needs and opportunities have been identified in their watershed area.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): To come up with what's called a stormwater investment plan that's that big white box in the middle and then you'll see that they work closely with their watershed coordinator in this whole process to come up with those recommendations.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Once they do there's a single regional oversight committee that receives the storm on investment plan they make sure that the program goals are being accomplished.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Just you know either going through to say you know, are we really hitting the big three objectives you saw them or their their slides but water quality, water supply and Community enhancements.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then are we also prioritizing there's actually 14 goals identified in the program underneath those three buckets of main objectives.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so they get to kind of report back to the board of supervisors and say, yes, we recommend you approve these these funds once they do so there's a whole lot of logistical administrative pieces that go into some fancy transfer agreements and start to disperse the funds.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But for the blue line if you were to follow this the technical resources program that money, once approved by the board goes into those technical assistance teams.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That can then develop the feasibility studies, provide the support to other entities that need it so that the final product can come back as an application into the infrastructure Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And that's summarize a little bit on this slide.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): i'm not going to walk through it, because it's it's very similar what was captured on the flowchart.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But we've arranged you know, a process and guidelines that show you know what happens if more money ends up being needed, what happens if less money ends up being needed and how do people apply, how do they work within that technical resources program context.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Like I said the product is a smart investment plan, I put this on screen just to help give a snapshot of what what that looks like.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You can see that the first column is the budget and the next four columns are projections.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): This program is set up, so that it is an annual allocation across the municipal the regional and the district programs.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so what is shown as a projection in one year, eventually, as they go through their cycle it's anticipated that would move into the actual annual budget column and be approved by the board.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You can see that there's subcategories broken up in those same three sub parts that were identified under the regional Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But this structure we found really allows for a lot of a lot of things so many people say hey we're not ready we've got some great ideas we can't spend all the money upfront.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so, allowing for people to dream and envision and actually set some CAP says they budget, this is essential.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Because this is based on property tax, of course, revenue can vary a little bit each year as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But contingencies for projects everyone's met done project management knows you know there's there's going to be things that come up and so.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): there's a lot of nuances that go into that a lot of guidelines that facilitate how those steering committees actually populate their their recommended stormwater investment plan.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then another neat thing to note is just some of the implementation tools that have made this more viable.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The the region, all those different diverse set of stakeholders have you know different experiences different angles that they're coming with and so having.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Really user friendly tools that help everyone talk in the same terminology and understand.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): what's being addressed is essential, and this is a snapshot of just some of those tools that we have put in place that have proven really valuable.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): GIs tools other types of tools that help someone lay out the big picture and say here's here's what we think we need here's the available data.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And if we click this scenario, with X, Y amp Z turned on here's the ramifications, it shows exactly how much money is being invested into a disadvantage community.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Based on the scenario that they might have on screen, it will show how much is being dedicated to nature based solutions based on the Center that they have on screen.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so they can continue to digest each of those scenarios and process things in real time to make them make the most of it.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And, of course, during the pandemic, we did shift all these governance committee meetings online as well, and so having these tools, through a virtual platform was also instrumental something that made sure the program could keep advancing.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I put the link for our safety and water portal on screen.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): If there is time I would love to just do a live demonstration of this because it's it's just so neat so i'd encourage anybody to go check that link out when you get a chance.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Because this this portal has so many features, you can see the red circle on the top right, you can look at everything that has been approved.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And or submitted to date and a map interface and drill into it and select it based on are you looking for infrastructure are looking for studies, you can see exactly what it scored what it's anticipated benefits are, how does it align with the goals, you can see its executive summary.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You can then even move to a dashboard setting That gives you a whole bunch of other sortable.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Data that allows you to search based on on your interest if a stakeholder wants to go in and see what projects mimic natural processes improve flood protection are connected to knock prefer and treat bacteria.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): All while leveraging shared funding they can pull up a set list of of what corresponds and get the proper contact or information for all those things as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then, a wrap it up with some lessons learned the really the ability to create flexibility has been key.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And right at the beginning, I gave you a whole slew of some of those guidance documents that we had there are a lot of complex topics, and it was so important to be really nimble and iterative in this process.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I think Leslie probably shared in that context slide there is a $20 billion unfunded mandate in terms of the regulatory.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Water quality requirements and this doesn't solve all those problems right away, but it has been monumental progress and we continue to try to balance different.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): stakeholder and sector needs and different stakeholder and sector opinions and desires in an iterative fashion as well, and help everybody communicate with one another.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): prioritizing resource to do Ministry of the program it's a tricky one, because if the voters didn't pass it you didn't want to have a bunch of new people on board just sitting there, but as soon as it was passed being able to start diving into the structure was essential.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Success metrics link to define goals, again, is something that's instrumental.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And that's where i'm going to jump back to this screen here for metrics and monitoring.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We have literally we have seven or eight concurrent studies going on right now to craft metrics, and these are things that we think are going to really benefit the whole state.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): at large, you know, because no one has defined some of these types of metrics, especially if it related to Community enhancements.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): In a way, that we are seeking to do so, and so, as we develop those additional metrics to show success, they will be grafted into this portal into this interface and create additional data that all users can then use to.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): enter the program to analyze and track the program and so forth.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That tool also serves as sustain and strategic stakeholder engagement that is probably common sense to everyone here, but so so instrumental.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): providing guidance and standardization for governance committee operations, I understand BC DC is is big and has a lot of diverse composition as well, and just for having everybody understand across our nine watershed areas, how to do things in a consistent fashion was essential.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Of course subliminal capacity building, like I mentioned, this is a lot of money, but it doesn't solve all the problems, and so we have also come alongside stakeholders to say.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You know here's this it's helping to shift the paradigm, and that was one of our biggest goals was create a paradigm shift, but with that paradigm shift everyone then needs to come, alongside and actually.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): see what else can be done to support that paradigm shift and supplement these funds, these processes.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Where do you talked about adaptive management that kind of bookings number one or number eight but then lastly number seven.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We call the task force called wham and down in the socal area there was measured w for water there was measure age related to homelessness measure, a was a parks measure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And measure m was part of our metro for transportation so collectively those four measures can be in the spell wham and there are very forceful Presidents recognizing that there are some of these things that are bigger than any specific funding measure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Things related to anti displacement, you know, economic development and workforce development.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so we actually sit on a joint group that then connects the dots across these funding measures to say okay at the biggest county level.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): What are some of the policies that we need to explore together, how do we actually link up metrics How do we make projects that are thinking not just multi benefit, but multi sector.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Because our program in and of itself is is really shifting the mindset to multi benefit.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But now we're beginning to build that partnership with parks and transportation and homelessness projects that say at the earliest stages What opportunity Might there be to make this project even more meaningful.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So all that to say it's a lot there's many layers that pyramid just represents how we've had to kind of prioritize and early implementation phases.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Where we haven't got to do a whole lot of our preferences, yet that we think will add value we've been focusing on just really making a working.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): plan that addresses all Cobra requirements, the priorities and goals of those that develops the program and the in the public who voted to pass this as well.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So I think that was a pretty quick data dump.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Hopefully, a lot of interesting or helpful information, but again grateful to share it i've got there's so much more we could share but equal turn it over for questions and see what might be a value for the group.

Larry Goldzband: you're muted zach.

Zack Wasserman: Thank you very much, man um yes, a lot of data.

Zack Wasserman: But your complex slide was not as was fairly understandable you get credit for that one.

Zack Wasserman: questions.

Zack Wasserman: Jim go ahead.

Jim Cervantes: yeah thanks for much that was a great presentation and I just had a.

Jim Cervantes: couple of questions here.

Jim Cervantes: What was the driver again for all this was there sort of an outside like a consent decree or something what what made this dark tech move was it Could you elaborate on place.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Certainly, and it's a great question.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): With a complex answer and the reality is it depends, who you ask and and there's some beauty in that because.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): There are so many you know within the say the environmental NGO sector who had been really targeting and recognizing you know, the lack of certain Community investments across the area.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And they knew something has to be done there's not funding there's not resources for that, and so they will they'll tell you hey That was the biggest driver.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The Ms for permit tease all the municipalities, who are subject to our regional water quality control Board will tell you, you know, it was the water quality aspects out of things they tried this before the new team DL requirements had brought so much.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Just difficult to achieve aspects.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And there was no money to build projects that would actually bring us into compliance numerically or with what we have down in the south, through these enhanced watershed management programs, so there was money needed for that.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then, if there had been an ongoing conversation in parallel, about the the drought, we were just coming out of one of those big long drought periods.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): resilience was a hot topic all these other things fit under resilience.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so the three objectives really represent the three drivers, there was money needed for water quality, there was money needed for Community enhancements and there was money needed to ensure that southern California.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Had a little bit more independence from all this important water from outside the region.

Jim Cervantes: And the.

Jim Cervantes: I mean storm water is the orphan child under prop 218 I know of two.

Jim Cervantes: cities in the Bay area that tried something like this on an assessment based format, I think the first, I think the first Berlin game or someone on the peninsula and then moraga the first succeed of the second failed because it was a public you know the property owner vote and effect.

Jim Cervantes: On in this US special legislation in this baby kind of technical but it's just like an assessment based formula here, or is there a use mentioned attacks.

Jim Cervantes: If you could just elaborate on like that mechanism that would be kind of helpful.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah certainly it is it we did it i'm going with actually a much simpler route than any complex calculation, we do as a flood control district have a benefit assessment that has a much more complicated formula.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): still governed by the same set of legislation, but here we weren't going to challenge any of the new new rulings, we were going to pursue a special parcel tax, which is different than the fee, but we knew we needed two thirds of the voters to approve it.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And there was a lot of public opinion and pulling that went into this, a lot of research and a lot of education.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That ultimately helped us to kind of discern what's the right amount, and it was simply two and a half cents per square foot of impermeable area on a personal.

Jim Cervantes: So I think I still have an la in the mid wilshire typical quarter acre parcel home built a.

Jim Cervantes: you give us like what would I have paid would have been 10 bucks on rocks thousand.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): hard to say about your specific parcel.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But anybody can go on our webpage and look it up if they didn't have access to their tax bill and the average homeowner was just under $80 per year okay thanks.

Zack Wasserman: I have a question talk a little bit about the measure that failed.

Zack Wasserman: When was it and and what were the lessons learned.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah so that was right in the early stages of the drought, no one knew how how long the drought would last.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And it was an effort that really just focused too much to unilaterally on that water quality side of things.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I think it was driven because of that that panic, as all the opportunities knew what was before them and they couldn't do it.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so it was rushed it didn't have the full set of Community engagement to flush out the details of it, and so it never even went to the voter, so it was something that was initiated and then squash so it failed before it was given a chance to fail.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The borders mice.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But we learned a whole lot through that process and then came back with all those lessons learned.

Zack Wasserman: Otherwise.

Larry Goldzband: I see john and mark and Jim and Jessica.

Zack Wasserman: That order.

John Coleman: Very well, thank you matt That was a great presentation, so you couple things this is driven by compliance issues from the regulators is from the Federal State or regional or a combination of all three.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): I mean, in a loose and sick it's really all three but predominantly it's the State level and the State board and our own regional water quality control board are the ones who have set up those water quality regulations.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That had the permit t's all looking for creative solutions right.

John Coleman: And so you talked about there's a tax deduction for property owners, because if it's on their property tax bill correct.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): It is on their property tax bill yes.

John Coleman: Like to get that PowerPoint if I could the final thing is on your metrics you talked about like reducing the bacteria reduction and so on.

John Coleman: Have you save money, or have different agencies save money by the reduction and the, for example, the bacteria load or other things that were once going into the watershed into the waters, the United States that are not now so those are actually savings.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So I mean short answer is, we believe, yes, but it's still early enough on where we don't have you know, a comprehensive set of data to kind of paint the broad picture.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And there's so many different committees involved that that scale varies, you know, and so we were a permit to ourselves that incorporated.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): county area, as well as the flood control district, and so we're starting with looking at kind of some of those within our own purview.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And that's part of what one of our current metrics and monitoring studies is diving into a lot of that it's modeling it going forward and it's taking all the existing data to to really brush up those numbers.

John Coleman: and final question, this is all great information by the metrics that you're now creating demonstrating are we able to go out and secure new funding sources from the state of federal.

John Coleman: Partners should demonstrate what you're doing and they're saying we like it and help funded also, in addition to.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah that's one of the real promising aspects of it we still want to see more of that we want to see these dollars leveraged for other funding and what was the other funding leverage for these dollars and we actually i'm going to skip to the end.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Really quickly.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We have 10 points to go into the scoring for leveraging funds and Community support and you see that in the last line right here the.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The, the Community has really taken this to heart and said yes we understand it doesn't just make us more competitive.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): This actually makes us more collaborative more sustainable as well, and so we factor that in intentionally.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): into the scoring process, but then we've seen that kind of turn and play out the other direction, as well, when people are applying for those grants or a prop 68 grand in the state or even something federally.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): it's really proven how much the region has done to try to solve our problems, and so they know that there's a serious interest to finish that and actually spend someone else's money well as well.

John Coleman: Thank you very much, great presentation thanks.

Larry Goldzband: mark.

Mark Northcross: yeah Thank you and can just fabulous presentation and I really appreciate that term you use matt robust governance, just an observation from identical question.

Mark Northcross: This is, I would describe the short briefly as measured double a for the berry on steroids, as far as governance, the way it's laid out social equity and now occasion of fans all that it's really impressive.

Mark Northcross: technical question and one more observation technical question is there any authorization in the ballot measure for measure w funds to be used to secure dead offerings.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah i'm glad you brought it up, I it was interesting to hear how many in the world of bonds were on this call, and that you know debt bonding all these different things that are a huge consideration and it wasn't explicit allowance within the code language actually.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): it's proven a little bit more difficult, I think, as as we started to flesh out and implement the complexities of it.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So, but we have while we have not bonded, yet we have language that allows it to be done, either by the district for our 10%.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): A GPA of those that received fundings on the municipal side could do so even one of those watershed or steering committees could ask the districts, to do so.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But because of the annual nature of that cyclical approval process there's a couple other logistical hurdles that we haven't cleared yet.

Mark Northcross: guys Thank you just a couple of observations that being a media bomb person I couldn't help running an excel spreadsheet during that presentation, I just want to share a couple of observations.

Mark Northcross: I divided 281 million by two and a half cents and I come up with 11 billion square feet of impermeable space and the county of Los Angeles portions that are part of measure w it's a big number.

Mark Northcross: Dividing by the population it's like 1100 course that you don't include the antelope Valley, so this number is wrong, but it's approximately 1100 square foot.

Mark Northcross: feet per person that's that's a the best wrong number, I can come up with during the presentation here.

Mark Northcross: If you're trying to figure out either on a per capita basis or on a per person basis as sending 80 bucks a parcel as the average what that means the bay area, the number is somewhere between 100 and 200 million per year.

Mark Northcross: that's my ballpark number of what if we could get to the level of what Los Angeles county just did, for there are nine county Bay area would I would come up with so that's a nice big number so again, this is inspiring now as far as i'm concerned, thank you, wonderful.

Larry Goldzband: Jim.

Jim McGrath: Thanks matt very, very impressive.

Jim McGrath: Give me a little bit about my perspective, but in addition to the dean of the Chair of the regional water quality control board, and I do have a question about irwin.

Jim McGrath: i've also.

Jim McGrath: been Chair of the parts, a lot of information in Berkeley so i've run a campaign and implemented a bond measure that's $100 million and my God what a food fight.

Jim McGrath: So what I really liked is is your governance structure the setup of goals the transparency and particularly that metrics for measuring progress and success is a dynamic process it's not set.

Jim McGrath: We think that was key to our success was having very clear dynamics and very, very clear metrics and goals and and the like.

Jim McGrath: I did this in part, as chair of the regional water quality control board trying to get some money in my community into green infrastructure and it's been successful now i'm you had a critique their of an r1 and.

Jim McGrath: i'm always interested in improving what we had and I what I remember you saying was you had a more collaborative structure here um can you elaborate on the little bit was that was that culture was that lessons learned.

Jim McGrath: Is that part of what you created some of the structure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah great question.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And to be clear, we are not critics that are when we're actually.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Huge advocates for it, we want to see it grow we actually have a separate really to effort cover call in the county water plan that we hope will kind of help blossom or web two point O across the state.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But the observation was simply that over time we've lost participation in irwin, especially from those Community stakeholders.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And there's a variety of reasons for that it's something that, as we've engaged with the Roundtable of regions across the state is not entirely unique to the different regions in southern California.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): and

Jim McGrath: Is this the point that you made essentially keep your stakeholders involved.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah keep their stakeholders involved and and without having a dedicated structural position for them.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): irwin has lost some of what safe, clean water, now has restored, I guess, so we actually have said look, this is a carve out your voice is important we need you here at the table.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And they have a seat and each of those steering committees multiple seats, whereas with safety and water, they invite is there the matter, I mean with irwin the invite is there they're encouraged there's the tendencies solicited.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But as things have played out, it has not maintained the full level of participation.

Larry Goldzband: order.

Larry Goldzband: you're muted Warner.

Larry Goldzband: Somehow you're muted.

Larry Goldzband: i'm going to ask you to unmute hold on.

Larry Goldzband: Now you unmute yourself.

Larry Goldzband: There you go, we still can't hear you.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We can check the chat box to.

Larry Goldzband: and check the chat type it in the chat Warner.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: hi thanks matt this was a great presentation three quick questions first, how do you ensure that projects are submitted.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: From places that they're needed, so you have all these different watersheds, how do you make sure that they're that you know some watershed who maybe has fewer complex capacity less interest whatever is actually submitting projects that's question one.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): sure we can go question by question the there's a lot of factors, because he that's one of those things to try to tackle from various angles.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): There were a not a number of projects in the works related to again the regional waterboard and those regulations people had been planning through the.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Enhanced watershed management program for quite some time they had been strategizing about what the needs are for the water quality side of things.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We also had the the Erwin groups, the sub regions across the whole area that had been doing similar.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And they had a strategic plan and had identified some needs so there was kind of those two platforms, if you will, that almost had a database of some existing known needs.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And in fact we actually required new sub Middles to be adopted by one or the other before they actually go through this process for safe, clean water, just to show that they had also have that additional level of vetting.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so there's there's some type of strategic assessment in that sense, and then through the program we have a large effort in the disadvantaged Community involvement Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Trying to actually identify certain needs directly with the stakeholders with residents that might be underserved.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And then, lastly, the program itself brings in watershed coordinators, at least one for every one of those plus an additional one for every million people within that watershed area who are really explicitly going to help facilitate that and even grow it in further capacity.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: that's so there's this kind of planning framework that happens, before the projects are then sort of submitted that's interesting.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: And the governance side were any of those committee committees pre existing before the program or it was kind of an entirely new sort of governance structure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Entirely new so all nine steering committees, plus the scoring and there is oversight committee were newly formed.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): You know, of course, there's some players that are involved in some of those other types of committees with overlap, but brand new committee brand new structure overall.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: And then just on the operating I mean that just seems like a massive governance structure to operate and maybe you didn't say this in your presentation, but what's the scale of sort of the operational side of it, whether it's the staffing or the technical resources and.

Jessica Fain, BCDC: Everything that goes behind it.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): it's massive.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Thankfully, we have an amazing team, that is, is giving their all to make this happen, and then there's so many others outside of our agency that have come alongside to partner with this.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): They believe in it for a long time, but we don't have we're not fully staffed where we need to be.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So we have supplemented with consultant contracts as able and there's still other pieces honestly of the program that need to get further along.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): As I mentioned we've been juggling 18 different things at once, but there really should be 25 things and we're working to bring those ups to speed and on course concurrently as we build resources bring on new people and in the meantime, we certainly are using consultant resource oh.

Thank you.

Larry Goldzband: wonder, can we hear you now.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: You tell me, can you hear bass yeah.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Good so uh matt just one quick point, I just want to say that when I told my my wife felicia Marcus that you were doing this presentation their response was oh my God he rocks so.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: To others on this call, she was previously, the President of the board of public works in Los Angeles so she has a pretty good firm understanding of what a man is doing.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Secondly, when I talked to somebody else about the different personas for wham initiatives they said that they felt, but those four initiatives that have gone before the voters have already sort of.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: establish a commitment of somewhere around 150 billion dollars in resources for you know, a combination parks homeless transportation water is that is that a That was a somebody else but is that sort of an accurate way of framing it that.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I believe it is a not not, to date, but sort of like.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Maybe over the life of the program or whatever.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah I actually I do have that handy let me double check, here we have.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): 1.6 billion a year across those four measures so that would add up eventually 250 billion it's 300 million about for measure w 355 million for measure he almost another hundred million from measure, a and then 860 million for measure em.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Well, so quick question could you two things one just about.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: publicity about this, do you have, because I think if you want to introduce new people to this that your slideshow was fantastic and deep, but if you want to give somebody an introduction, sometimes, the best thing.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: would be a you know, a Lopez column out of the La times, or something do you have on your website someplace where you.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Keep and store, you know kind of the best news stories that that talk in journalist in a journalist form about what you've done and or do you have a public affairs person or a kind of a PR designated staff person to do kind of external public communication.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah both aspects that you mentioned, are part of what's continuing to be built out.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We have a bare bones version, if you will, for both kind of the Public Affairs side our agency has you know pianos and Community government relations groups.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But they're juggling other things beyond just safety and water, right now, we might be able to work towards that dedicated resource in the future, and then our webpage does have you know news articles and other things, but it's it's not quite where we want it to be yet.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): there's a lot of you know there's fact sheets there's presentations there's recordings of a lot of key resources designed for different types of players or users within the system, and then there are some that is designed for the general public.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But we hope to still expand that we want to make sure that we update those things more regularly we're actually working on a strategic communications plan right now that's going to overhaul our webpage and bring some of those types of additional enhancements.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: But it's the public works folks that are kind of the lead on external communication about all of this it's it's within public works.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): It is yeah good okay.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: last question.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Go back to I want to kind of build on what JESSICA said about the governance and you know my belief is that.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: For the next decade, the real challenges that we're going to face in the Bay area, the nine county big area are exactly what you did is it's it's governance and finance, which is why i'm thrilled that.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Larry convened this group of finance experts to help us start to think about this, but you know, because we have a nine county region if we're going to do something.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Throughout the nine counties, we have to first go to the legislature to get legislation that authorizes the government body by which these nine county tax measures would would flow through which we did with our you know measure double a.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: To create the bay restoration authority to have a nine county governance vehicle.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: You did not have that, because you did this all this within one county but you still follow me up JESSICA has a question you still had to kind of create some governance structure.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I think, in advance, just so that there was a vehicle there that had sort of some level of public confidence that.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: You weren't just asking for money and up, could you just talk a little bit about that about what you had to it without going into long detail to what you needed to do and how you went about creating.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: designating the governance structure so that a large range of stakeholders had confidence that there was a.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Fair representative, whatever the right buzzwords our governance structure capable of carrying out this bold idea.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah excellent, so the legislation that was involved with ab 11 at it was initially a zinc zinc bill that was gutted an amended.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): for these purposes and partnered with you know our local legislation and it doesn't necessarily identify that governance structure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): It set up the the way it gave the authority for the special tax number one, and then it laid out at the highest level.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That distribution of funds that would be governed you know, in a certain way, so it's still provided that high level confidence and it made it possible.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But then I think the assurance from the public was garnered through all of that local engagement that ultimately culminated in a public hearing at the county board of supervisors office.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And all the documents had been prepared and publicly reviewed and we're part of that there still was an enormous turnout at that place.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And those documents for that hearing laid out the envisioned governance structure at that point, and so what we call those the program elements, it was kind of just the basic framework and then after.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That public hearing and the board decided to put it on the ballot, of course, the voters had access to that same information saw the value in it, and then we got to start putting it all together once it passed.


Warner Chabot - SFEI: A process that to continue over a decade, because you had one thing that you tried and failed and stuff but.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: give me your sort of best case of for sort of 80% of the energy that went into passing this measure was the timeline was it like.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: a two year effort, a three year effort, I know there's there's no easy answer to that, but just just trying to get to if we're trying to do something here in the Bay area.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: And to me a wildly ambitious goal would be to try to put something on a you know, two years from two and a half years from now on, the 2024 valid how long did it take you to actually construct the.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: overwhelming bulk of this.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: designing the the the the program and the campaign to pass this.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah I mean, with all that long term context aside in the framework of falling into place it really was fair to say, a two year a little less than two years actually because.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): It was November of 2018 when it was passed by the voters and it was may of 2017 when the Board of Supervisors first made this motion, they call it their resilience motion to develop a funding measure.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): So that motion triggered the formal activity and then it really was a year and a half later when it was passed by the voters, and so it was a real steep crunch, for that last year developing those program elements okay.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: So it's not impossible, the top but not impossible for us if we were to do some start immediately to maybe even two years isn't an it's an ambitious but not impossible goal.

Larry Goldzband: Is that it.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: that's it sorry.

Larry Goldzband: I think zach has one my old boss waiting to.

Zack Wasserman: Take to two questions um who do the watershed coordinators report to it, who what's their authority chain.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah so that was that was one of the issues, one of the details that was really hashed out a lot initially we had scoped watershed coordinators as being flood control staff ourselves, but it was much better received on it was an outside entity that was selected by the Steering Committee.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so, now that we have gone through that process i'd say.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): 65% of our watershed coordinators that were selected are Community based organizations or non governmental organizations and then there's a handful of kind of consultants in there and there's a couple that are that have teamed up.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And we had to we had to figure out a way to allow the steering committees to still pick their coordinator.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And yet, create the authorities and contract and mechanisms, and so they still are a hired employee of ours, but we had to modify our contracting process to allow for the decision to come from those steering committees that includes so many outside of us.

Zack Wasserman: got it and my second question is what project actual project or projects are part of this too long.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): there's a handful.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But i'd say a couple of them represent kind of these unique park underground infiltration projects with a lot of neat above ground improvements.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Were the lead on a couple of those ourselves there's a couple other cities that have been the lead on a couple of those.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And the reason they're furthest along is again because of their nexus to some of the water quality requirements and those ongoing planning efforts and they had the right fit of multi benefit opportunity to really be developed to get garner a lot of support.

Bob Spencer: Thanks a lot yeah great presentation and would it be possible to circulate the slides I was starting to take notes, but it's so read.

Larry Goldzband: The slides will be posted this afternoon.

Bob Spencer: Okay, great.

Bob Spencer: Following up on on a warner's question, who led the organization of the campaign to get all the stakeholders.

Bob Spencer: You know marching in the same direction, and I mean both NGOs and elected officials like what's that public works, did you.

Bob Spencer: hire somebody outside I mean it seems like a massive effort for place the size of La county to get that many stakeholders moving in the same direction for a campaign within 1218 months and resulting in a successful two thirds vote.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah absolutely I can't emphasize enough, you know that the reason we did that in 18 months is because of all all that other contexts that had really made it doable.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But it was public works in essence we were leading that charge, but we had some really key consultants Leslie being one of them, you heard from lizzie a couple months ago.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): She served as a strategic advisor in that capacity as well, and was able to bring in some other resources that help to facilitate the stakeholder advisory committee meetings that really started to flesh out different pieces of the program elements.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And so that was instrumental but we had again, we had the right conditions, you know we have local councils of governments.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That were willing to step in and take some leadership roles we had a league of cities, a lot of partners across the board to help facilitate that, but it was under public works kind of steering that forward.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But of course there is still a delicate balance, where you cannot be advocating right for your own measure.

Larry Goldzband: You right matt who cut the checks for Leslie and the gang.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): That was the Central District.

Larry Goldzband: Okay, and so you you the flood control district actually paid for the campaign consultants.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Well, see the word campaign is misleading.

Larry Goldzband: yeah there you go ready to go.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): The flood control the flood control districts paid for less the strategic advisor and during the formation of the program elements, but there is independently, a campaign that we were not paying Leslie to do.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): We actually the resilience emotions split out into multiple things and I think it was Warner.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Actually felicia is getting more and more familiar with our county water plan because we've reached out to her recently.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): about that, but that resilience motion turned into a county water plan it turned into the safe, clean water program and it turned into an education campaign of its own called water for la.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): and water for la.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Has was independent it was detached from all things safely water to preserve that element of being above board and educate the public in a general sense right.

Bob Spencer: Okay, how you, you had to have an independent campaign committee at the end of the day, that could do the actual you know fund the campaign itself right so is that a bunch of civic leaders, you know you got a volunteer group to come together to do that.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Our Community government relations group led that contract and through a bunch of Sub consultants, they did rally you know, there was philanthropical investors, there was NGOs, there was other Councils and partnerships for sure okay.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): A lot that we you know we were fully detached from you know but that's that's helped to them feel ownership now during implementation is they'll they'll go out and tell people hey we helped pass this okay.

Bob Spencer: Well, I just want to end with a couple observations for this group, the big difference one key difference between measure w what we're looking at in the Bay area is is that a clean water program that has benefits that are spread ubiquitously across.

Bob Spencer: The voting public we're talking about sea level rise mitigation or adaptation, so the benefits are focused around the bay and we did have a successful measure, a program that, although that was focused on the bay.

Bob Spencer: Pulling around the nine counties show that there was a lot of connection to the bay, but that's in the context of.

Bob Spencer: Again, environmental benefits marshland restoration and everybody being able to enjoy the bay.

Bob Spencer: I think the challenge for us will be when it comes to sea level rights mitigation, the benefits are going to be viewed as far more local.

Bob Spencer: Are you a property owner along the bay, you know that's where your benefits, going to be, and so I think our challenges is how to.

Bob Spencer: pull off a measure double a kind of campaign where we've got an argument for benefits being nine county wide but, but where.

Bob Spencer: You know the focus is going to be basically protecting vulnerable communities along the bay and.

Bob Spencer: I think we can do that I just think it's going to be more challenging, I think, for example, we may need a revenue structure that has shoreline communities contributing more than Indian communities.

Bob Spencer: Something like that, because you're going to have to demonstrate that those directly benefiting are probably contributing more than those that aren't but.

Bob Spencer: I think there are many other elements of measure w that that we can learn from from the governance structure on down, and I look forward to continuing this work with our group.

Larry Goldzband: So I want to respect match time because we've had him for an hour.

Larry Goldzband: I want to leave a little time for Cathy as well.

Larry Goldzband: We needed we needed we needed five minutes for Kathy Kathy has her hand raised.

Larry Goldzband: And you're muted.

Kathy Schaefer: It just a quick question.

Kathy Schaefer: For matt do the local communities are they able to get Community rating system credits from the NRC from the nfp for your activities do they take advantage of that and help them with their CRS Program.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Great question so it's not explicit in the program, but I think it's possible and i'm not aware of anybody that has successfully done it yet.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But we are exploring that that's a little bit of an offshoot but in that credit trading program that I briefly mentioned is one of our in development pieces.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): there's an effort to not just think about our tax credit, but we're ready to all types of different construction regulatory you know federal nfp type aspects, is there a way to connect those dots and start linking things with incentives so it's on the table.

Larry Goldzband: and show alter.

Larry Goldzband: That you're muted your hands up.

Pat Showalter: Yes, yes I just I asked him in the chat how much money could be used for administration, because there's so much.

Pat Showalter: Governance and you know that's really important in fact governance is done properly, it will work.

Pat Showalter: And the answer is a percent and then My other question was is it just residential properties and he said it was um you know kind of all properties and I think that's really important.

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Pat Showalter: doesn't, especially with what Bob was saying about how what is it you have 30 communities that are shoreline communities and the rest of our hundred Bay area communities are not, and so you know how to how to inspire everybody is.

Pat Showalter: a really big deal, do you want to add anything more about who was included in this parcel tax man.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah I had you'll see this when we share the slides I had flagged those exempt partials early on and it's government land and parcels that already exempt from like the States that had the warm exemptions so that's certain qualifying nonprofits.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): But outside of that it's really just a you know, a low income senior own parcel they can apply, and we can grant them the option as well, but outside of that it's everybody else, and so dodger stadium universal studios all these big properties down there are still on that tax rule.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): And, thankfully, some of them who are large and have lots of improvement area had been really proactive following that incentive to develop their own site stormwater type projects that actually earned income tax credits.

Pat Showalter: Thank you.

Larry Goldzband: And just for the record it's 46 cities and nine counties and we don't know how many special districts to touch the bay.

Pat Showalter: Where do you think cities okay.

Larry Goldzband: anybody else.

Larry Goldzband: All right.

Larry Goldzband: matt.

Thank you.

Zack Wasserman: Very much matt.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): yeah pleasure we're glad to get to share some info and Larry has my info it's also at the end of the slides do feel free to reach out we've also got a great hotline lots of other great staff so.

Larry Goldzband: matt we oh so the next time you come up you let us know.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): How much appreciated, we will be cheering me on from down South hope it goes well.

Larry Goldzband: Thank you.

Matt Frary (LACFCD): Have a great day.

Larry Goldzband: You too.

Larry Goldzband: So Kathy isn't we didn't put Kathy on the agenda because we didn't quite know exactly how to describe it, but there's but.

Larry Goldzband: We also wanted to make sure to take public comment so zach my recommendation is to give Kathy a few minutes to talk about what she's working on, etc, and then go to public comment.

Zack Wasserman: agree go ahead Kathy.

Kathy Schaefer: Thanks um do you have just can I share a screen, I just have a couple of slides I want to maybe.

Larry Goldzband: should be able to so go ahead.

Kathy Schaefer: PowerPoint Can you see my screen let's see here.

Larry Goldzband: Now yeah there you go.

Kathy Schaefer: Is it is it blank is it here.

Kathy Schaefer: This is clicking.

Kathy Schaefer: Oh wrong one, let me stop share try this one.

Kathy Schaefer: Share screen.

Kathy Schaefer: um Okay, why is this not going.

Kathy Schaefer: quickly here, I wanted to just take a minute, here we go um so I invited you there was a presentation from the Center for catastrophic risk management.

Kathy Schaefer: And it talks about the idea of using.

Kathy Schaefer: Security bonds and and collaborating with the.

Kathy Schaefer: With data and sharing big data and using that to actually.

Kathy Schaefer: To reduce your cost of your 30 bond and where that comes in, is the idea, they use the idea I don't know if you can see my screen, where it has the showing the solo.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: very small.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Take a second to try to get the image.

Kathy Schaefer: There we go how's that I think.

Mark Northcross: No, I think you down to the bottom of your screen and press the slideshow button.

Kathy Schaefer: There we go.

Larry Goldzband: There you go yeah.

Kathy Schaefer: So just I just want to just take a minute to just take a second where.

Kathy Schaefer: You saw in the last presentation, there was a lot of data that was generated to come up with the.

Kathy Schaefer: The plan and the scenario of how to allocate the funds and where to get the taxing and all of that, and the idea just in that presentation and.

Kathy Schaefer: From the Center for catastrophic risk management is the idea of sort of using blockchain technology throughout our construction process of building levies or doing wetlands and using that data from start to finish, to help.

Kathy Schaefer: Reduce.

Kathy Schaefer: construction costs and bonding costs, so the idea that that they've come to find that two screws installed in a solar panel.

Kathy Schaefer: makes the wind load and makes them stay in place longer than one screw so just having the process of in the construction documenting the fact that you've installed that one screw.

Kathy Schaefer: makes the bonding and the insurance costs and by working together, you can see that analogy like if you were going to if we think about nature based solutions.

Kathy Schaefer: We think about plantings and how you might plant things and how you can then demonstrate the resiliency.

Kathy Schaefer: By having it be from start to finish, so I just we have just a minute, I just wanted to just talk that that's one they they sort of talked about the idea of.

Kathy Schaefer: Integrating our data and using our data, but I also wanted to take just a minute to talk about risk rating two point O, which is kind of that same idea it's taking you saw all of that lidar data all that.

Kathy Schaefer: impervious surface calculation data fema is now you doing a similar kind of thing where they're using catastrophe models to price the flood insurance policies and starting in October.

Kathy Schaefer: they're going to be rolling out a new pricing structure that is based on this new, more more nuanced catastrophe models in the future the nfp rates that people pay will not be based on the fema maps at all.

Kathy Schaefer: It will be based on what the catastrophe models show, and I just wanted to just if we're thinking about how we might capture value.

Kathy Schaefer: During the last drought, we had California residents paid in almost a billion dollars in premiums and they received only about $20 million in payments so just and then I just quickly, this is what happened in Los Angeles.

Kathy Schaefer: This is the number of i've have number of policies but it's actually the number of claims in the county of Los Angeles, the time series I did it while we were talking, but you can see, during the drought period.

Kathy Schaefer: which were you know, starting from there was virtually no claims in Los Angeles, and during that period Los Angeles residents paid in on an average of $24 million a year, so just quickly to kind of as we think about Maybe other options that may be a place to look.

Larry Goldzband: And idea.

Larry Goldzband: The idea that the dollars, instead of going to an NF IP that doesn't provide anything during a drought, should be used other other ways.

Kathy Schaefer: Yes, correct and it is part of ours exploring alternatives is a is an item listed in the governor's water resource portfolio.

Kathy Schaefer: All right, for the opportunity thanks.

Zack Wasserman: Thank you.

Zack Wasserman: let's ask for public fun in the public who would like to comment.

Larry Goldzband: I see no hands raised.

Zack Wasserman: All right, I thank you all, and just to.

Larry Goldzband: hold on.

Larry Goldzband: I put mine up, I thought I had.

John Coleman: put it down I had john Bruce ago hey.

John Coleman: john great presentation.

John Coleman: i'd like to really see how we're going to since we're not la county nine counties how we're going to try and get coalesce the.

John Coleman: political community as well as a business community and the people who live here on the same page think it's going to be more difficult challenge than what matt had to do, or what they did in La county as a result of it.

John Coleman: And it's I don't think we can look at a two year timeframe either just by virtue of how everybody here knows how the system in the barrier works it's been taking a lot longer than two years, we have to be cognizant of that as we put a plan together.

John Coleman: And so that the great presentation now, I just want to offer by can Larry.

John Coleman: We have our screen summit coming up June 4 if anybody would like to attend as our guest, we have is called building resilience future bear with mark the song it can moan.

John Coleman: Of the Assembly and head of a bag MTC any work talking about funding projects, the more resilient region get Ahold of me, let me know if you'd like to attend as our guest and that way I can put you on our list for June 4 and nine to 1130.

John Coleman: So let me know and one of the sponsors SF VI with a selfie blah me to do just that, so thank you.

Zack Wasserman: Thank you go ahead, one.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I don't know if this is premature, I honestly don't think it is um I put something on the chat, but I do feel like to what john Coleman said.

Zack Wasserman: Which is.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I really do think that we need to start almost immediately to think about how to approach john coleman's question of what do we need to do.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: to appeal What steps do we need to go through to duplicate something comparable to La knowing that so many we have so many circumstances that are different.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I would like to say that there are very few people in the state that have actually bring sort of public policy, public works planning knowledge and political knowledge.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: And then, unless the treatment Johnson is one of those people that has helped.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Provide strategic advice for this initiative and several other comparable initiatives in southern California, and I would like to suggest an urge.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: consideration at the earliest possible date of some effort to retain Leslie even have a preliminary contract $10,000 $15,000 whatever is the.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I asked her to write something up with a price tag for just a preliminary White Paper that would.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: answer the questions, what steps and considerations, would we need to go through over the next two years to do something, comparable to La and I think just by starting to have someone who has actually.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: done this multiple times to offer us sort of like a beginning roadmap, it provides at least an outline.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: For us to then start to have discussions about how do we, how do we need to think about this, I just really want and and I agree, I think, getting something on the ballot in 2024 is probably.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Five, I would say my Vegas bookie would give me 5% odds, that we would do it, but I think it's worth shooting for a two year period, to say what if we tried.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: And then, the least we give ourselves false deadline to push ourselves, because this is a critical issue and a lot is going to happen in the next two years, so I think it's worth.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: doing something, but I think we need a coach to give us like at least a starting game plan and and if if the he's can't do that we go to.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: Our lf I I started a conversation yesterday with like the fun saying hey you provided some initial seed money for the measure double a could you do something comparable, so I.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: I i'm willing to try to go to you know the philanthropic community, but if there's some agency money that could be made, I recognize that BC DC may not have.

Warner Chabot - SFEI: That that that resource i'm not suggesting EDC funded, but I just think there should be a commitment among all of us to say how could we come up with a small amount for an initial White Paper.

Mark Northcross: i'll add a comment one great big ditto to what john Warner said.

Mark Northcross: And i'll suggest two things we i'm inspired the we have a chance here a model for putting 160 million to 200 million per year on the table.

Mark Northcross: for climate change adaptation, the bay area bring it back to a bod said, maybe we need to include wildfire resilience, as well as sea level rise resilience to get.

Mark Northcross: The voters router nine county area motivated and yeah I would I support a wonder said, we need to find the money, and I want to put something on the table for both zach and Larry.

Mark Northcross: Maybe we need to repurpose this committee financing the future to i'll call it the daughter of double a daughter of measure w and La being bass what our purposes to figure out how to do that, so that said i'll shut up but that's what i'd like to see happen.

Larry Goldzband: All right, that that's the agendas out all right.

Zack Wasserman: I I very much appreciate the last comments and I appreciate that they are, in many ways a call to action I don't think in fact.

Zack Wasserman: This group and and BC DC does not have the authority money or where we all do, that which doesn't mean this doesn't move forward, I think it's just need means we need to think about convening a different group to address this.

Zack Wasserman: And with that oh i'm sorry the the other piece, I was going to end with is.

Zack Wasserman: We have, in the last few meetings been been focusing very much on a couple of sort of very specific methods of financing, but as we move forward overall with bear adapt and moving towards a full regional adaptation strategy to address rising sea levels.

Zack Wasserman: We need to pull it together and some of this has been done, but pull it back together and say here are the set of.

Zack Wasserman: financing mechanisms and here is the priority that we should look at in moving those which are coordinated, hopefully with the priority projects that we see emerging from this effort so that's sort of the overall context that I think we need to knit things together with.

Zack Wasserman: With that I thank you all very much as always, for your time and commitment.

Zack Wasserman: Take care be well be safe.

Larry Goldzband: Thank you.

Chad Spitler: Thank you all.

Jim Cervantes: Everyone.