Rachel Cohen: Good to go.

Eddie Ahn: Thanks Rachel.

So good afternoon everybody.

We have an itemized agenda and we'll start with the most basic of things which is the call to order, and that means that.

we're welcoming everybody to the bcc environmental justice working group, my name is eddie on i'm the Chair of the ej working group itself for BC DC and if Rachel you could call the role that would be great.

Rachel Cohen: or Commissioner pemberton.

Sheri Pemberton: present.

Rachel Cohen: Thank you, Commissioner showalter.

Unknown Speaker

Rachel Cohen: Commissioner vasquez.

Here, and Commissioner on.

Unknown Speaker

Rachel Cohen: Are there any other Commissioners present why i'm missing.

Unknown Speaker: Okay.

Rachel Cohen: Thanks.

Eddie Ahn: Thank you Rachel so the next bit of business is just approval of our November 19 2020 meeting minutes it's been a long time so maybe take a few minutes to review it and.

If it seems good, then, could I have a motion to approve it.

Sheri Pemberton: allowed to approve them.

Eddie Ahn: In a second great.

All those in favor on the Commissioner side, please say I.

Should we do a roll call on this Rachel, we can also just I don't think there's a controversy.


So all those in favor it sounds like both Commissioner show all turn pemberton I am.

Sheri Pemberton: I okay.

Eddie Ahn: And so any extensions I don't see any or any knows none.

The next bit of business is a welcome to our new BC DC the advisors, as you know, the Commissioner ej working group is made of both Commissioners, as well as yourselves as ej advisors.

And we are all working collectively around environmental justice and social justice issues around the bay area shoreline and we are really excited to have you on board, and we would like to you know think through the social equity pay plan amendment, that of course we pass back in.

October 29 unanimously, I might add, the Commission had spent you know, since July 27 on working through the language amends and it's only thanks to.

People have been early you know involved on the commune side very early on in the process.

Like Julio Garcia, who I very much appreciate your efforts in pushing this stuff through and now we're ultimately focused on ensuring.

what's more important, in my opinion than just simple passage of an ordinance or policy which is actually implementation.

And that's why your input will be so valuable to make sure we're doing a hopefully a good job of it all, and you know, we want to continue this collaborative spirit.

With ej advisor working group as yourself, and you know we thank again the resources legacy fund for their continued support and making sure that you are resourced, for your time and I know that's not typical.

of you know a lot of Community input meetings my own work it's as often donated a lot to government agencies.

And i'm glad that resources legacy Fund has allowed us that opportunity to acknowledge you at least a little bit for your efforts in this.

And so, as chair the ej working group it's my pleasure to introduce the new AC DC ej advisors.

To this working group and before we hear from the advisors, I wanted to ask the hall, to provide an overview of public meeting procedure, just to help us work through this and hopefully provide some context for anybody who might be new to these kinds of meetings go ahead, no.


Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you Tara on, I want to start by asking everyone to please make sure that you have your microphones or phone muted, to avoid background noise.

For Commissioners and ej advisors, if you have a webcam make sure that it's on and for members of the public if you'd like to speak during our public comment period.

you'll need to do so in one of two ways first if you're attending on the zoom platform, please raise your hand in zoom.

If you're new to zoom and you join using the application click on the participants icon at the bottom of your screen and look in the box where your name is listed under attendees and just click the small hand on the left.

Second, if you're joining the meeting via phone, you must press star six on the keypad to unmute your phone to make a comment.

And we'll call on individuals who have raised their hands in the order that they have been raised after your call on you'll be unmuted so that you can share your comments.

We ask you to please keep your comments respectful and focus we're here to listen to everyone who wishes to address the Agency.

But everyone has a responsibility to act in a civil manner, we will not tolerate hate speech Brett made directly or indirectly.

And or abusive language, and we will mute anyone who fails to follow those guidelines or who exceeds the reasonable time limit, as we have a pretty packed agenda, thank you.

So we would like to now open it up to visitors and members of the CDC staff to provide brief introduction simply keeping it to your name title and organization would be very much appreciated.

And if the newbies CDC ej advisors could refrain for now we'll look forward to a more thorough introduction from you all during the next agenda item.

And also, I want to include that if any Members of the CDC design review board and or engineering criteria review board are joining us today.

Welcome, and please indicate that role during your introductions For those of you who are unfamiliar with the design and engineering advisory boards.

They were formed to advise the Commission and it's just applicant was appropriate criteria for the SF Bay plan on public access design, as well as seismic and other engineering issues.

So with that I might ask Rachel is.

I guess, we can just start with the with anyone who is here from one of those boards and then from there, maybe go on to staff and then just general members of the public if that's okay.

Andrea G.: Now, how I see Stephen pellegrini who's a member of the design review board.

Stefan if you want to introduce yourself, please.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, Andrew.

Andrea G.: Go ahead.

Stefan Pellegrini: hi good afternoon the system on pellegrini from the desert reward.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Welcome, thank you.

Okay, if there aren't any other board members with us, we could go to the CDC staff.


Hopefully we can just keep this smooth we do have quite a few participants on today so.

If we need support i'll try to support.

Rachel Cohen: them in Colin people, or should we just go ahead.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Seven people, maybe we should call on them if you don't mind Rachel.

Unknown Speaker

Thank you.

Rachel Cohen: Do you want to start or did you already know.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Oh, thank you yeah i'm not how good I am the ej manager at the CDC and Rachel hopefully you you're aware of all the the CDC staff on the call because we try to start with them and skip over the advisors, for now, just because we want to highlight them and the next agenda item, thank you.

Rachel Cohen: i'll go ahead first i'm Rachel Cohen, and i'm planning and sediment Secretary and Victoria, you can go ahead.

Viktoria Kuehn, BCDC

Sure i'm Victoria kuna i'm part of the adapting to rising tides program with the planning division.

Rachel Cohen: and Jessica.

Jessica Fain, BCDC

hi everyone i'm JESSICA pain i'm the planning director here at PCC.

Rachel Cohen: and Steve.

Are you muted.

Steve Goldbeck

Sorry, everybody Steve go back chief Deputy Director or bcc.

Rachel Cohen: Yuri.

Yuri Jewett, BCDC

hi everyone i'm hearing you i'm a planner with the long range planning unit.

Rachel Cohen: And Andrea.

Andrea G.

hi i'm Andrea gaffney i'm the senior Bay development design analyst and the regulatory division and the Secretary for the design review board.

Rachel Cohen: file.


hi i'm Rafael monsters, and the Secretary of the crb in also the staff engineer for bcc.

Rachel Cohen: brad.

Brad McCrea

Good afternoon, everyone i'm brad mcrae PC this is regulatory director.

Rachel Cohen: And Eric.

Erik Buehmann, BCDC

I am your demon on manager of the long range Planning Team and plain English.

Rachel Cohen: Thank you.

should go next.

Nahal Ghoghaie: um is that all of the CDC I think I see a couple more others.

We have calling your.

Colin Ford

I am calling toward and the GIs and turn.

Nahal Ghoghaie: And Claire.

Claire Villegas

hi my name is Claire Vegas i'm dragging in turn with regulatory division.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you and krista.

Krista Villegas

hi i'm crystal Vegas and i'm permits in turn.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, and then, as far as members of the public, we I would love to start with.

Peggy like not.

Peggy McNutt (she/her)

That i'm with resources, like a seed fund happy to be.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you Maggie and Janet.

Janet Johnson (she/her), Richmond

I good afternoon it's great to be here i'm Jana Johnson janet's goal Johnson I am co coordinator of sunflower alliance and a Co Chair of the Richmond shoreline alliance which includes.

groups working on the astros Annika toxic site, as well as the point melodic a site Thank you so much for having us here and having us be able to contribute.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you and Maria.

Maria Rodriguez, OPC

hi everyone, my name is Maria Rodriguez i'm with the ocean protection Council i'm the wetlands program manager and also help lead the environmental justice and equity work here i'm just tuning in to check out this meeting and i'm really glad to be a part of it, thank you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, and we have one more vc vc at the join pod hollenbeck.

Todd Hallenbeck

Everyone I serve as a GIs specialist for vc vc.

Andrea G.

and know how Gary string is another dear be Member and he's in the attendees section we're trying to promote them to a panelist but.

Rachel Cohen: You shouldn't be now allowed to unmute themselves.

Gary you can try to unmute yourself and introduce yourself.

looks like he's joining us and.

Gary Strang: yeah I.

I this Gary string vice, Chair of the DC DC design review board wasn't sure what I was getting into here, so I thought I would stay as an attendee but i'm fine to be a panelist Thank you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Great and it looks like Peggy joined as well, but she's still an attendee and.

So maybe she can introduce results later or.

But so yeah I would be thanks everyone for joining we, it is only an hour meeting, so I would love to just move on to the next item, if that's okay with chair on.

Eddie Ahn: Great no so thank you for helping facilitate all those introductions and if you can move on, then, to an update from the 525 meeting with DJ advisors and then facilitate the introductions of the ej advisors themselves.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you so much.

So I would like to invite the new ej advisors to please share more about yourself with the Commissioners and other meeting participants.

While you did already have the opportunity to introduce yourselves at the May 20.

meet Commission meeting I do think it'd be helpful to remind the Commissioners and the public of your background as environmental justice practitioners.

Including the communities that you represent, and maybe a high level objective for your role as an ETA advisor with the CDC and after we hear from the five of you who are on the call today.

i'll share some of my highlights that I took away from our launch meeting on may 25 including a summary of some of the goals and work planning next steps.

So with that I will ask in I will ask Mr Julio Garcia to start us off with an introduction and then I will call on advisors in alphabetical order to share your introduction Thank you so much.

Julio Garcia

Thank you in a while and yeah Thank you all for being here, definitely, this is an important step for us, I mean like eddie say I was in the.

working for about two years trying to get the ej policies in the bcc language and will continue to do that, because for us it's very important for the communities.

I represent the Community right here in the south San Mateo on the witches.

rebel city North arrows on East Palo Alto so yeah one of my highlights to move forward is to start just talking about this ej policies that we created and start implementing everywhere that we can thank you and uh how.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, Mr Garcia, and now we have Mr Anthony Camille.

Anthony Khalil

Greetings everybody i'd like to start, of course, with the land acknowledgement that we're calling in from many different places across the bay here and i'm calling in from unseated alone territory, here in the city by the bay, the city that i'm from and as a lifelong barrier resident.

BC DCS touch my own personal lives it's it's it's really intriguing to reciprocate that and contribute to advancing environmental justice here.

In this bio region and where water and land and people meet that intersection that ECO tone is where environmental sustainability, public health and social justice.

That intersection is what I dedicate my personal and professional life to i've had expertise as a wetland ecologist as well as Community based restoration youth development, as well as Community base environmental education.

Well over.

Two decades of that experience and not to mention many miles on on the front lines of our Bay with communities and building towards a more.

What we can say a hopeful future with the crucible of many things that have taught us many lessons.

Just like the lessons that we learned from the the crucible of the pandemics over the past many months with with this crisis of.

Climate change adaptation, the threats of pollution and massive development that's affecting the bay and how do we prepare and not only adapt, for this is genitive and.

And how do we, at the same time, reach out to the ones that had been forgotten.

Previously, since that since this little city by the bay and its surrounding counties have have came to be over the last century or so.

I look forward to walking that path together with you and blazing trails as we embark on a journey that then men that few have tread upon.

And I think, together, we can enhance the direction of environmental justice and and create a systemic change within the institutions that we so I look forward to hearing from others and and.

it's quite an honor to be joined here with you all, thank you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you so much physically next we have miss violet tana.

Violet Saena

hi good afternoon everyone Commissioners again, my name is wild side now, and I am the founder and executive director of climate resilient communities.

We serve frontline communities here and in San Mateo county peninsula area working directly with.

community leaders to elevate Community voices increase Community participation and engagement and planning for climate change and sea level rise.

The bulk of my work with the moment that relates to environmental justice is, we all know that we are very wary in a place that's very diverse, there are many other.



That are being left out most of the time.

You know, with regards to planning putting in place actions to respond to concerning issues and so most of my effort focuses on.

building capacity and communities supporting community leaders also supporting Community based organizations and build collaborations to.

Ensure that communities are being heard and community is on top of anything else, because the fact is, when we talk about climate change and sea level rise and all these climate extremes.

The most vulnerable and the most at risk are the vulnerable communities that have very limited resources, less adaptive capacity to respond.

So our work includes managing and coordinating is part of climate change, Community team, and also the no fair oaks climate really team.

And it's a great privilege and honor for me to be part of this advisory committee i'm looking forward to serving alongside my fellow advisors, to support BC DCS efforts and, especially, being the voice of the communities that I represent and serve Thank you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Wonderful Thank you so much.

Next, we have miss Mary belle Tobias.

Marybelle Tobias

Good afternoon, everyone.

i'm happy to be here as Nick mentioned my name is Mary about and sage advice I am the founder and principal of environmental justice solutions.

So a little bit about me is that I was born in Los Angeles in grew up in the dirtiest that code in the state and from an early age it really made an impact on me.

The things that I could see in the environment around me versus what I saw in other neighborhoods when we went to visit them.


i'm I became an environmental justice attorney.

I went to school in the Bay here at uc Hastings and i've been here, ever since, which is also nearing on 20 years.

And so I began my work doing civil rights and environmental law and then, as the state passed it's barely climate change.

Laws I was able to shift and to working on the climate and that's where the issue of sea level rise comes into play, and also being a member of the East bay and in the ej Community i've also heard about the issues going on that Community struggles.

Here in Richmond to save parts of the shoreline and so essentially what i'm passionate about is creating and utilizing data and metrics that show what the impacts are and.

and give us a guidepost as how to improve from where we were and so that is what i'm looking forward to diving into here and helping the Commission really develop a concrete ways to measure your impact and to see the changes.

So thank you for having me.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, and now we have miss Donna Williams.

LaDonna Williams

Good afternoon, everyone, my name is Donna Williams, the organization that I proudly i'm a part of is all positive as possible, as the program director.

A little bit of background.

All positives possible is.

Is an environmental justice frontline Community based organization that is comprised of several environmental justice advocates from all around the bay area.

majority of us have lived in low income neighborhoods that have been severely impacted by.

polluting companies toxic pollution and have lived close to the water, the work that that we have done centers around water, the shorelines.

Our Bay are connecting water systems that not only connect in California, but that actually connects us across.

You know, various regions and states we do work locally, we work nationally on environmental justice as it relates to water, and I think of the work that we did in vieques Puerto Rico before it became the place to go.

With the protest and the things that occurred in Viet because the environmental injustices that we gather together as a as a delegation from around the world, actually in 2099 or 20 and.

We heard the same stories about people's lives low income residents being directly impacted by environmental justice policies.

That, unfortunately, those who are tasked with the decision to keep you know our waterways and our streets clean have compromised our our communities throughout this nation and so.

discovering that I had lived on a toxic dump for 10 years.

In midway village daly city, I was born and raised in San Francisco.

moved as my first apartment as a young teen mother on a toxic dump called midway village, not knowing that it was toxic and it took the lives of both my parents, and I say that because they dug their hands in the soil, not knowing we knew nothing about environmental justice.

At that time, and so this this spirit of environmental justice that that has chosen me, and I say that very humbly because you know you can't complain about a problem only and not be willing to be part of the solution, so you know you could choose to remain the.

I wouldn't say the victim, but the affected and not roll your sleeves up and get involved it's very easy to not want to do that when you're up against forces.

That have the big money and the power to affect your very life, however, collectively, you know it takes right minded people to come together for a cause which is what has moved me to stay part of this movement for 30 years and I will continue, hopefully, for another eternity.

To keep fighting and keep pushing and keep thinking outside of the box to force all of you.

To do exactly what we've come here to do, which is supposed to be balancing the scales, so that it's a fair process for all, because we know.

At this point, that it's not but, as I task you all i'm also pointing the fingers back at myself to that I also have a responsibility to do my part.

But i've come hard and I said that from the very beginning, I make no apologies for my positions when it's on the position right.

However, I can be corrected if i'm wrong absolutely correct me um but understand that I come to the table in the spirit of what's fair and equitable for all.

But we also recognize that that we're not there, we are definitely not there, which is why we have this group formed here to try and get us there.

And unfortunately for me i've always watched DC DC process and it's it doesn't ever reflect California, or at least, even the bay area, the people that that.

lives in the Bay area BC DC has never accurately reflected that so I was very happy to see that they have taken on environmental justice and to.

be able to participate in this process is really an honor and before I end, I just want to say.

we're at a real crucial point, because, as we know, we're in the midst of a very serious water drought that is hitting us, so the decisions that we make here is definitely going to impact everybody moving forward so again, thank you for being part of the process and let's get to it.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you for being part of the process, all of you, and I want to recognize that Solana feliciano is.

Our ships are also ej advisor but she's off the grid still she's pouring on her bike right now and was unable to join us today, unfortunately, but we will be hearing from her at a future meeting.

So thanks again so much for sharing your introductions I always I always get reinvigorated every time I hear from you all, so I know you've given plenty of introductions.

But it's just every time I get more and more excited about getting to work with you so thanks again.

So, as I have mentioned that previous ej working group meeting the ej advisors will work with myself.

The CDC is ej program manager and the CDC is environmental justice Commissioner working group.

To collaboratively developed of work plan that stances our agencies goals to include socially vulnerable under represented and ej populations and the nine county area.

In the implementation of the Agency policies, so the ej advisors do not constitute a formal committee established by the Commission.

They will not work on individual project from it and the group does not have regulatory authority.

As mentioned, we had a kickoff meeting on the 25th of last month, which included very inspiring stories of the legacies that the ej advisors carry forward in the work that they do.

As well as accounts of their struggles which have included past disagreements with agencies such as the CDC and other government bodies that are Commissioners represent.

In addition to learning more about the new ej advisors, the launch meeting included an orientation.

To vc vc mission jurisdiction are ej policies and an introduction to our permit process, as well as other introductory introductory item.

We also started working discussing a work plan.

And our priorities for the work plan, but as we started talking about that we quickly realized that this would require a much longer potentially two part work session, which we hope to take place in mid to late July.

The advisors did put forth some very challenging yet exciting consideration for all of us to keep in mind as we embark on this journey together and i'll try my best to do their comments, justice, but it will require a much more in depth discussion with all parties.

The advisors are coming to this work with hope for generative solutions to environmental justice and social equity, problems that have led to frustration and trauma.

For their communities for far too long, it really comes down to the fact that as advisors, they should not hold back from offering critiques and recommendations.

And while these interactions will be critically conscious the advisors are committed to keeping them as constructive as possible.

The advisors are mindful that the public is watching as they chart a path for Community self determination with agencies and that'd be CDC is forging new pathways towards equity for government agencies as well.

And this work it's critical to acknowledge and respect our histories, in order to reach a common ground and a collective vision for an equitable shoreline around the bay.

Whether or not we agree on every issue, this will be a venue for us to hear from one another and offer space for potential disagreements to exist, since often disagreements can be an even more powerful place to work from an agreement.

So with that we, I think we can move on to our next agenda item, thank you.

Eddie Ahn: thanks again the hall, and now we'll move on to the next agenda, which is commissioned on to item which is Commissioner introductions and maybe Commissioner show Walter, would you like to begin by introducing yourself to the group.

Pat Showalter

Yes, Hello everyone i'm formally i'm a PC DC Commissioner and i'm the Senate rules appointee i'm a city council Member and mountain view California and i'm known as a housing and environmental advocate.

I i've spent my career as a water resources engineer, and I literally started out as a groundwater hydrologist and throughout the course of my career, I kind of worked up to the surface, working on stream restoration a restoration and lots of policy work.

One of the things that I I worked on was the San Francisco crimp That was the San Francisco creek watershed Council.

And, and that was during the just at the time when there was a major flood that flooded East Palo Alto Palo Alto and not on menlo Park, and it was really an education for me personally, as an engineer, and what are and need to be environmental justice.

considerations and how they they matter so dramatically when we woke up that morning at the end of that flood.

It we all realize that there were people living in East Palo Alto behind those levees who could round if they failed.

And that was a I can't tell you how sobering thought that was and i'm a great deal of work has been done to rectify that.

That situation, and it will go on for many years, because, as we all know, sea levels rising but um, then I I spent 17 years at the St Clair valley water district, and during that time I worked primarily on the.

Day restoration and and flood protection related to to our surrounding communities, so I worked quite a bit with alviso.

And the issues in LV so many of you may know that much about visa was literally below sea level so they're you know they're.

Flooding issues are are just incredibly serious so that's that's what I kind of bring professionally to this and then it was a it was a great education for me to serve for three years on the.

Environmental justice committee to to to develop the are our policies, but as as Commissioner on said what really matters is how we implement them.

And so many times we see you know reports and policies being put together, and then they just sit on the shelf.

And that is just tragic so i'm here to work with you to see how we can convert this lovely set of policies that we have into something meaningful meaningful not just paper on a shelf so welcome and and I expect to learn a tremendous amount from you thanks.

Eddie Ahn: Thank you, Commissioner, show Walter and maybe Commissioner pemberton would you like to introduce yourself.

Sheri Pemberton: Yes, thank you, my name is sherry pemberton I represent the California state lands Commission.

On BC DC I was born and raised in sacramento and i've worked for the state lands Commission for about nine years.

i'm the chief of the External Affairs, division and the legislative liaison at the state lands Commission.

I worked for the legislature before working for the state lands Commission I worked for a few different members, the last one was now Congress Member Ted Lou when he was in the State Assembly, and I was Chief of Staff before that, as legislative director.

So I was really familiar with the torrent South bay.

area and, at the state lands Commission I led the development of our environmental justice policy and I led the outreach that underpins the policy, I was.

San Francisco long beach fresno different areas around the state meeting with different organizations and community groups.

to gather input to help inform our policy at the state lands Commission and then I joined to the bcc ej Commissioner working group when it was formed a couple of years ago.

I also was the Co lead for the state lands Commission and it's two years of participation and the government alliance on racial equity.

and help put together a racial equity action plan for the state lands condition.

And that's a little bit about my background and i'm looking forward to working more with all of you.

Eddie Ahn: Thanks Commission pemberton um i'll just briefly introduce myself eddie on.

Again with the CDC and i've been on the CDC for about three or four years now, it seems like a lifetime ago, given the pandemic and how crazy the last year and a half, has been.

But for myself my own background is i'm a lawyer by training went to uc Hastings like Maribel and also.

Have a background in education as well, so I started out originally as an after school programmer in oakland chinatown as an americorps Member and then.

have continued to work in education through the nonprofit I currently work, for which is called bright line.

We do a mix of programmatic work and policy work, so my full time you know day to day is actually involved with this nonprofit so It ranges from air quality monitoring.

To job training and we often do our programs, in coordination with large much larger service providers across the city of San Francisco.

But, more so than just you know the city itself, we are also very interested in other geographic areas such as East Palo Alto.

sacramento our interest in environmental policy works on multiple levels, whether it's local city governance regional governance, like the CDC to stay policymaking institutions like the California energy Commission and the legislature itself.

I will say that a lot of my perspective, comes from my nonprofit work and personal experiences doing the nonprofit work.

Just you know the pandemic the wildfires food insecurity, these are all issues that are often the top of mind when I approached this work and.

Even in the last year alone, the way you know you're probably aware, by now, the way visibility around anti Asian violence and language really spiked in March 2021 but, in my mind that's always been in the background of the work that I do to.

Even in 2020 while trying to go back and forth between the nonprofit office.

In the span of a week I heard two very explicit and taxation slurs directed against me and.

it's just really bizarre that you know, to me, at least, that a city that's 35 you know 40% API Asian Pacific islander depending how you do the math that you would hear that kind of language or threats directed at oneself.

But it's always a reminder that identity is intertwined with often the work that is involved and that you know part of our work as a group, as a.

collaboration is hopefully elevating each other's voices and not seeking to override one another, and I very much look forward to hearing from each and every one of you and hoping that.

In a collaborative fashion, we can really forge something spectacular you know something that's a model for not just regional governance, but for the state as well, so I appreciate you taking the time today and that with that i'll pass it back to the hall for the next item on the agenda.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thanks so much chair on and I just I do want to recognize as well, the Commissioner vasquez couldn't make it today, but we will definitely at the next meeting asked him to share his a similar introduction, so that the advisors get to know him as well.

And I think that before actually moving on to the next agenda item I did want to point out that today's meeting was at least.

Currently, intended to be a bit of a meet and greet beyond just introductions I was hoping that we could have some more kind of informal conversation between the Commissioners and the advisors and.

And just start building a rapport even though we're joining virtually as much as possible, so, so I wanted to invite the advisors, if you have any questions or any comments that you might have.

For the Commissioners that I would wanted to welcome you to to speak that and get to know each other.

So it looks like miss Donna Williams has their hand raised.

LaDonna Williams

yeah you know I did have a question.

And I think it has to do with kind of your your opening comments and a hall.

Where you had you just kind of like manage people to you know, to really watch their behavior and you know, made it known that BC DC doesn't tolerate.

You know folks were writing each other and being disrespectful which I absolutely agree, but I did want to ask the Commissioners here have you ever encountered that kind of behavior or.

Or, in your meetings when they open your meetings do they say the same things to you guys during your meetings.

Eddie Ahn: know how should I address that.

So that is fairly standard for the CDC as an agency our own chair and Commission meetings, make sure that the Rules of Procedure are followed correctly in each Commission meeting and Commissioners themselves to date I in at least my time on the Commission, I have not observed a Commissioner.

overriding or there are essentially like rules of recognition that are operated through the Chair that ensure that the Commissioners don't step out of line in that.

Typical sense, so if that does become an issue you know this this working group itself is a mix of formality and in formality, just to recognize that up front.

There are lines of authority between the Commissioners, as colleagues that we make sure that your voice as a committee voice is not overwritten so I appreciate you bringing that up and hopefully that answers your question.

LaDonna Williams

kind of sort of I was just wondering.

Amongst the Commissioners themselves, has it ever occurred as to why they would open the meeting you know with that because I noticed.

Normally, when we're engaging with agencies or you know Commissioners directors and certain processes you don't hear.

them, you know have that speech beforehand, in other words, watch yourself and how you.

You know, engage with folks we're all adults and It just seems to me that we should come to the table respectful in these processes.

Anyway, without having to be reminded that so I was just wondering if that has ever been your experience as to why we would.

hear them but it's also our experience whenever you know they add environmental justice to the processes, we then tingly here that and it's almost like a reprimand before you've ever done anything wrong but anyways That was my question.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Go ahead, Commissioner, so Walter, I think that just fyi the people that are now panelists are able to unmute yourself are all welcome to just chime in.

Pat Showalter

yeah I was just gonna say that's just boilerplate language and i'm.

i've always kind of wondered about it, too, but it's just boilerplate language, I have no idea where it came from so it's not special to this meeting it's it's it's part of you know what's on the form the fine print of the agenda.

Every every time and there's a similar thing on the mountain view one, two and I don't know where that but, but I I do read it, and say hmm why but but it isn't special for for us.

Steve Goldbeck


Nahal Ghoghaie: I can also add.

That, so the language that I use at the beginning of this meeting I borrowed directly from the broader Commission meeting language, and I think it is aimed at.

people that are making public comments, because Commissioners will receive threats or they will they will be subject to violent kind of language up from time to time.

But I think that in even though, even though that was the intention, it is it's kind of understood that everyone on the call or in the meeting should follow those guidelines.

But that's from my understanding, I do want to also address that miss Donna Williams that you're you're probably bringing up.

A comment or a discussion item from our may 25 meeting as well, where I did try to get the group to have some meeting agreement or terms of engagement, if you will, of how we will interact and communicate with each other, as a group.

And it was a bit of an awkward request for me personally.

And many of the people in the group said that there's a little a level of like you know of wanting to engage in a civil manner, but that they don't feel feel the need to have these specific rules outlined.

But I also want to just add before I before we have other people speak because I think Steve wanted to speak and then there's a couple of hands raised.

That in another another forum that the CDC convenes called a adapt that's a multi stakeholder discussion, and we do have actual meeting agreements that we, we agreed on, as a group, because there's.

A hundreds of people involved in that conversation so they're everyone's bringing disparate perspectives and potentially even history in her personal history that that could cause.

I guess i'm just going to say drama, you know.

it's things that.

If we get too personal like and we're talking about policies we're not talking about each other's personalities per se, and I think that these meetings those meeting agreements in that other forum, are trying to make sure that we just kind of stay on the agenda.

But I don't i'm just responding to your question, but I I can I recognize the the point which is, are we just doing this because it's ej at advocates and activists.

That and there might be an assumption that you potentially could get out of line.

And I don't want that to be the feeling at all, so I have personally decided, with the ej advisors that we don't need meeting agreement and we can decide as a group with the ej working group Commissioners if we need to have meeting agreements or not.

But with that I would pass it to.

To stiefel back.

Steve Goldbeck

Oh yeah thanks thanks for that and I just wanted to confirm started and said, is the language is something we use for all of our zoom online meetings and part of it.

came up when we went online because of covert very rapidly because before that we always had in person, meetings and we'd heard of the zoom bombing and people becoming.

feeling like because they're online, they just could come in and be an appropriate in their speech, so that was part of the introductory language, we put we went online to tell people.

may not for panelists or Commissioners are the light, but for the public, that if they were going to join our meetings they needed to be respectful.

And so that's where the language comes from, and we have had some chart commenters on controversial DC DC issues but, for the most part, people have have been very respectful but yes, so this is very general, this is for every meeting we have.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you and Mr coolio.

Anthony Khalil

yeah it seems like we're at a pause for this, but I appreciate everyone's willingness to talk about the uncomfortable and there'll be many more.

opportunities to do so, so for for sake of time I, this is a larger question that I want to ask, in particular, the Commissioners it kind of gives.

Personally myself more of an understanding of the inner workings of BC DC personally demystifying BC DC is something that is is intriguing to me.

Just like with any institution that's you know, has all these different levels of governance and.

In my own research at BC DC and understanding, a different type of P P planning permitting enforcement.

That type of P, where Where do the Commissioners and others on this call feel like we have some some direct opportunities around advancing environmental justice within those categories OK.

So, again that's the PP planning permitting enforcement, just as you know, us for lack of a better term those three.

And then, also where the opportunities around frequency as we're developing our frequency I don't know when when you know I know that this happens monthly.

I know that we can have conversations outside of this we have conversations amongst different committees.

Where Might there be opportunities internally at BC DC for committees as well as other work group.

gatherings where environmental justice is unheard of, or there's a need there to advance it or is it just something where there's an opportunity there, so I would love to hear from that and I will go back on mute.

Sheri Pemberton: So i'll i'll try to respond and actually I don't know.

I was going to see if the hall might have some some guidance.

But I love I love the question and i'm curious about the same the same thing and i'm also wondering if we might have an opportunity, maybe later this year or or when we can resume in person meetings if there might be a chance for us to meet in person.

Nahal Ghoghaie: yeah.

Sheri Pemberton: would be great.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you going to share members and then give us a little I also love your question and the framing.

I So the question is something that we are discussing as staff, so I I host environmental justice office hours every other week with staff and the last one was this past Tuesday, and this was the exact question, at least on the first piece, which is permitting.

I think it was the first week we were taught, we were wondering, you know pan the advisors support with permitting decisions.

As far as the pre application process goes.

We don't we need it, this is kind of a conversation that we're still trying to flush out a little bit is you know.

Because other advisory boards can give input, the that we have the design review Board and the engineering criteria review board and they give they can give advice on the pre application.

And i'm still trying to wrap my brain around like is there a part in the permit process that they can also give advice and that's a whole other conversation i'm sure Andrea has better a better response or JESSICA, maybe go ahead JESSICA.

Jessica Fain: i'll just jump in so hi everyone i'm the director of planning, so I know a lot more about planning and permitting I know we have a lot of other bcc folks who are on the call, I think there are attendees now but might want to jump in on the permitting side.

But, in response to your question Anthony I think.

there's a lot of space within our planning work for the ej advisors to play a big role.

We run both voluntary kind of sea level rise program called the adopting the rising tides program and a lot of our work.

Who was involved with with Bay adapt, which is this broader effort to try to organize the region around kind of the actions we need to do to adapt as a region to sea level rise.

I think there's a huge amount of space in there for really valuable input from the ej advisors.

In our long range planning work, what we do our things similar to when we updated the pay plan to introduce equity social equity and and environmental justice we're continually looking at our pay plan policies.

And now that we have those policies, but we want to make sure that they are part of all of our planning efforts moving forward, and so, for example, right now, we're looking at.

The San Francisco waterfront in the San Francisco special area plan, and so I could really see a moment where we think about how do we apply, how can we look at those policies in light of that particular geography that we're studying right now.

we're looking at our support plan original seaport plan we're looking to the few kind of larger long range planning matters that I think would be really valuable.

And then.

The last thing I would say is that what we're you know, while we sort of are not.

You know the advisors are not set up to give advice on particular permits, what we are looking for is sort of that broader guidance for sort of the approach that we should take generally for permitting matters so.

You know it's a little less of like what to do in this particular place but are there some themes are there some categories that our permit analysts can really gather learn from and kind of apply based on.

some kind of best practices that you can help us understand so that's kind of my take on those categories i'm less familiar with the enforcement program so I don't think i'm quite prepared to speak on that one.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, and as far as the enforcement program goes that's another meeting.

That will that we're we're still trying to get a better idea of the ej policies and how they apply to the enforcement programs work.

So it's kind of it's so fresh and i'm so glad that you all are with us to help us, you know, come up with our strategy because we These are all questions that we're all trying to answer as well.

But thank you JESSICA for sharing those specific examples of how they how the advisors can contribute.

And as Mr coolio already knows we have you know the Community vulnerability mapping tool and other tools that really need the expertise of.

ej advocates and community leaders to be a successful sustainable and effective tool.

So these are things that are that are potential items for our work plan that that will be having those workshop kind of discussions on.

Soon i'll be sending out of a Pole, for us to get those on our calendars very soon, and if you would like Commissioners or staff to join those like maybe JESSICA can join those and.

Have the entire the lead on enforcement the lead on permitting they can join, so that we have better understanding of what's possible and, but we are so I just want to point out that we're at time i'm happy to go over because an hour does not feel like enough, so I am not sure if the.

Commissioners are also able to stay on for a little bit longer.

And the advisors.

Eddie Ahn: Have a meeting that starts now actually.

really what i'll do is i'll texts of people in that other meeting that i'm running away, and I think I probably stretching 15 minutes.

Nahal Ghoghaie: That would be great Thank you chair on that would be wonderful i'm just because I know that miss Tobias also had her hand raised and I think I saw another hand raised so I just want to make sure everyone gets to get to speak.

Marybelle Tobias: You know I would rather see my time so that we can end earlier there there'll be plenty of time to chat with everyone here one on one and ask my questions.

I really was interested in knowing if you are have done some mapping around the areas where your projects are that are.

Already, you know disproportionately impacted I noticed it was one of the findings and I was just curious to know their maps of these projects or um.

yeah ways to flag it when you're looking at a new project, you know so anyway, we can discuss all of that later, but I just was curious about that.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you, yes, we do we have a it's kind of a it's a Community vulnerability mapping tool that uses 12 indicators and then a few other.

relevant indicators, but but I I always believe in ground true thing data like that, with actual.

You know more qualitative anecdotal information so that's another that's an example of something that I think we could enhance greatly with your input.

on how to refine that that tool, but we do have a tool Community vulnerability mapping tool and we do our staff to encourage and advise then actually.

Let our permit applicants know that they have to kind of consult the tool every time that they have a project coming up.

So, as far as the best practices of how they should work in those communities that's another thing that JESSICA mentioned is something that we could really use support with from the advisors.

let's see here, but we can definitely talk more about that in a future meeting oh and JESSICA, but the tool in the chat.

So okay let's see Steve your hand is raised.

Steve Goldbeck: yeah hi thanks again so just I can I are do have another meeting and we're going to have to to leave, I just wanted to quickly say in relation to that last question is that.

Two things one is that the environmental justice policies that the Commission adopted say that we should be addressing environmental justice throughout our programs, so we want to look at everything and whatever what i've heard from all of the staff so far is more.

wanting to have a piece of your time and your attention so.

it's really trying to figure out what's the most strategic in terms of moving you know things forward with you folks with that because we realized that we only have a certain amount of your time and so that's probably more of the limiting factor, though, as been alluded to, for specific.

permits and enforcement actions there's actually legal constraints on how we proceed and and take input, so we have to be talking to our legal staff to make sure that we're.

doing things all properly and according to La but but that leaves plenty of room, as was said, for both enforcement and the.

Permitting program as JESSICA alluded to, on a more holistic and programmatic basis to address the issues that we all know, are so important, so I want to thank all of you folks for.

for coming to work with us and I it's it's going to be a difficult road, but I think it's gonna be a really productive one, so thank you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Thank you.

Okay, I don't see other hand.


Eddie Ahn: Oh i'll add one more perspectives to answer and things question earlier on the condition side how, at least i'll just speak for myself and how i'm trying to.

parse all the information that's being collected through this process, which is.

A lot of bcs whose authority is in regulation and it's essentially an administrative agency right that issues these permits and enforces them.

And the way the Commissioners often vote on it is based on prior precedent, and I think the interesting part of this environmental justice processes it's totally knew.

That you know we are essentially creating if you think of the no be CDC is technically, not a court of law.

But do you think of the CDC as a court where essentially creating case law future pressed precedence right now that can then be applied to future decisions, so my hope is you know if there are best practices.

In any other agency that's implemented in ej working process that's always helpful to know too, because I can help push the needle in terms of how far we can go but yeah I think it's all very new to us and.

it'll be a lot of fun to work through this with you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Definitely Thank you Tara on and from what i'm hearing is we're kind of BC DC is kind of the agency that all the other agencies are looking at as they figure out their path forward with the day and equity, but I do want to recognize there is.

There are other efforts that I would love to learn more about how things are going with those other efforts and i'm trying my best to keep up.

But welcome your input on those Commissioner show up to your hand and drink.

Pat Showalter

Now just another thing I wanted to bring up is that in many projects.

The permitting that is done and we'll learn more about this one, we talked to enforcement, but the BC DC is, at the end of the pipeline for permitting.

So the environmental justice work really needs to be have been done before it gets to us or.

or can't be meaningful, because we all know that that what matters is bringing people to the table to help design the projects right that's what counts.

And the projects are already designed when they get to us.

So I think a lot of what we're going to be talking about is how, by making it clear that be the CDC is going to look at that and what we're going to look for.

Can we essentially say, these are the things we're going to expect you to have done we're not going to do them we're going to get the word out that they matter.

I think that's how I see it, so I just wanted to share that thought with you, so how can we get the word out to the various.

jurisdictions and agencies that BC DC thinks it's matters, and this is what we mean by what it matters because.

I think a lot of people really don't you know they think environmental justice is a very good idea, but they don't really know exactly what it is.

So I think we need to help educate them about what it is and what we expect them to have done before they get to us and.

So you know, on the one hand there's lots of nuts and bolts, and on the other hand, it's this is really kind of a I mean a philosophical or policy issue that we need your help with so it's going to be it's going to be challenging and hopefully fun to work through.

LaDonna Williams

know how can I add something real quick to that.

Because I meant to mention that earlier was um I know on the on the side, it has kind of some generalities about environmental justice but is there.

Do you have a statement that actually goes into the history of environmental justice and why you know, there is a need for environmental justice because I was on a call with the beta Bay delta Delta.

Stewart Stewardship Council and they kept referring to be CD c's lead saying hey you know, we want to look into what they're doing and.

So that we don't reinvent the wheel on, but what I found is they read sort of the general term of.

California definition now of environmental justice and how it reads is you know the Nice environmental justice for all, which definitely that's our goal, but that's not where we are now and so i'm just wondering.

Has there been.

A real effort to really give the history of environmental justice and see where folks are in their understanding of environmental justice and why and how it even came about.

And if not, is that something the advisors can help work to put together.

Nahal Ghoghaie: That I love that idea we we have a background report of all the research that went into the ej policies as far as the staff research and it's called toward equitable shorelines which is on our ej page under the planning tab on our website.

But so it does capture a lot of that kind of or national history of environmental justice, but I do think that.

As far as Bay area history very specific, we need to we it would be great to have a better understanding of that for the Agency and.

I was hoping that the cdo so that that directory that we're developing where we're asking people to share their stories and we would somehow feature that on.

That maps that we're developing I was hoping that those stories would be very ej focus, so that we could see you know this this community is in antioch and they can explain what happened over the decades to their community as far as environmental injustice.

But I love if kind of finding a way to weave those stories together in one one more thorough document or one thorough account of some sort for the agency.

LaDonna Williams

yeah and I wasn't I mean definitely Bay area but I actually think overall because, in order for us to move forward, we need to know where we've come from.

And so you know what happens on one end of the year that actually ends up affecting us, you know over here and so just looking back in history.

I know I think it was Anthony that you know gives homage to native American rightfully so, but you know we don't mention the fact that California was actually named after black indigenous.

Population that totally has gotten lost or you know the history, most people think oh environmental justice started in South and North Carolina but actually when you go back to the 1990s.

And you think of how folks were removed off of their land or their man was contaminated or burned and make the move Those are all histories, that you know.

gets lost, and so we wanted to mix those experiences in definitely with California, because we definitely have a map.

I think, was it Maribel that mentioned mapping, you know I know she talked about more so the bay area, which is important but also there are you know, a trail as from from one end of our United States to the other so just a way to maybe try and capture that in every of environmental justice.

Nahal Ghoghaie: that's very important and yeah I think that we could focus multiple meetings on on that learning more about that history, and so I think that these i'm going to watch the recording we're recording this and i'm going to.

know all of the potential projects that we could do, because, as a group we're committed at least to a year but i'm hoping that this is a sustainable effort that just is ongoing.

Because the list that was just brought up today was enough for at least three to five years of work minimum, so thank you so much.

We do have a couple other agenda items that I know we're way over time.

Eddie Ahn: Well, next steps and scheduling the holidays, you can you do that in half a minute or less.

Nahal Ghoghaie: I could, because it won't require discussion, after all, the ej working group meetings are happen on a bi monthly basis, and so the next one should be around late August.

So please stay tuned for for the next meeting date to be scheduled and yeah they're bi monthly and then advisors will probably be checking in with you to meet with staff in between those meetings.

Eddie Ahn: And of course for members of the public will publicly notice these meetings as well prior.

If there's nothing else, maybe we should move on to public comment and see if anybody.

From the public would wish to speak beyond you know the Commissioners are each a working group.

Rachel Cohen: not seeing any hands raised okay.

Eddie Ahn: So that brings us.

Rachel Cohen: there's actually.

One sorry, Commissioner, on Gary string i'm going to allow you to talk if you can unmute yourself.

Gary Strang: yeah Thank you again Jerry string vice, Chair of the CDC design review board, I just want to say, this has been super informative and I thank you guys.

for adding this dialogue, I think we can I feel like myself and the board, we can kind of count ourselves among those that are.

interested in committed to the environmental justice movement but don't really know you know the full depth.

Of what the possibilities are and how to make it happen, but I thought one really specific thing that could happen is like Madonna was recommending if we could get.

A presentation to the design review board on what on some of the history and background, I think that would get us going and we're probably in a very good position to intercept the design process and ask the questions, long before the projects, you know get to you, I think, Pat, your comment.

about how you know the the deal is done before, some of us get to comment, I know, those of us on the board sometimes feel that way to that would that the project is already done and we're under pressure to approve, you know even before we've had a chance to consider the basics so.

If you can sensitize the the board members, I think that would help a lot so i'll leave it at that, thank you.

Nahal Ghoghaie: Wonderful Thank you so much.

Eddie Ahn: anybody else Rachel.

Rachel Cohen: not seeing any hands.

Eddie Ahn: So thank you for those comments and with that, I think that concludes the period and leads us to the next item on the agenda, which is a German.

So if everybody's Okay, with the journey see you next time.

Pat Showalter

Thanks everybody thanks discussion.

Sheri Pemberton: I hope.

Eddie Ahn: In person sometime in the future yeah.