March 25, 2021 Engineering Criteria Review Board Audio Transcripts

Rafael: Ashley, please do the slides for the Zoom tips.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: But otherwise Roger Raphael we're ready to go.

Rafael: Yes, we're ready to go.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, are we waiting on frank to come on camera or.

Frank: Okay i'm.

Rafael: Actually i'm going to send you the link.

Rafael: Well, I guess, I might as well show it i'm going to show you my screen and we're going to get started now.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: frank is your camera working.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: you're muted.

Rafael: Okay, well, can you all see my screen.

Brad McCrea: not yet.

Rafael: Okay.

Rafael: All right.

Rafael: So.

Rafael: Good afternoon.

Rafael: Board members, and let me share with you some instructions for the meeting.

Rafael: If you haven't logged on you know, this is the link.

Rafael: The meeting will go from one to five.

Rafael: And this is the agenda in a sub reminder if you need to ask a question, you can raise your virtual hand and is just that link.

Rafael: Under your screen and then you can lower your hand and, if you are participating via phone.

Rafael: You can call in.

Rafael: there's some calling instructions on that link and then for muting you can dial start nine.

Rafael: To raise and lower your hands, I guess.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: We don't see your screen yet.

Rafael: Oh okay.

Rafael: Let me share with Ashley.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: I have a screen.

Rafael: Oh, you have the screen, you can see the screen right.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: See you, I can see everyone.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: But not the screen you're sharing.

Rafael: Oh, not the screen i'm sharing okay.

Rafael: Ashley can Can you see that.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Though I can even see bill homes.

that's yes.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): Raphael you're not sharing your screen.

Rafael: i'm not sharing my screen okay.

Rafael: how's that.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: No.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: Oh yeah there you go.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: There you go.

Rafael: All right.

Rafael: So, as I was saying that the instructions are here on this link the link is also found on the CDC website.

Rafael: And, and this is the agenda of the meeting we have four items and and then did the German at the end, if you want to raise a question raise your virtual in and is the icon of the hand of the bottom of the screen and you can tap on that to lower your hand, so if you're calling.

Rafael: Via phone, you can press star nine to raise and lower your hand.

Rafael: And with that.

Rafael: i'm gonna take out my i'm gonna do my share.

Rafael: See.

Rafael: As the hard way and do it.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Can you share your screen.

Rafael: Right, yes, without trying out that's what i'm trying to get the ideas okay got it.

Rafael: Okay, great okay.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: So are we ready to start.

Rafael: We are ready to start yes.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Well, good afternoon gentlemen and welcome to this virtual BC DC.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Engineering criteria review board meeting and for the public record and I don't know whether actually do we have any public attendees.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): We do.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, good so.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: My name is Roger Boucher and I am a chair of the BC DCS engineering criteria review board.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And our first order of business is to call the role.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: i'd like to ask the board members to please unmute yourselves to respond and then mute yourselves again after responding and rafi Oh, could you please call the row.

Rafael: Is chair.

Rafael: chair butcher.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: here.

Rafael: Board Member Bob Battalio.

Rafael: He informed me today that he'll recused himself from the Howard terminal briefing and he will not be participating at all of this meeting because he's getting a vaccine.

Rafael: board member Jim French.

Jim French, Board Member: For them.

Rafael: Board member Rod Iwashita.

Rod Iwashita: here.

Rafael: Board Member Frank Rollo.

Frank Rollo: here.

Rafael: Board Member Bill Holmes.

Bill Holmes: here.

Rafael: Board Member Jack Moehle.

Jack Moehle: here.

Rafael: We have a quorum here.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, thank you Rafael. Oh, we have a quorum present so we're duly constituted to conduct business.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: i'd like to thank everyone, I want to share some instructions on how we can best participate in the meetings or run smoothly as possible first everyone, please make sure you have your microphones or phones muted, to avoid background noise.

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Roger Borcherdt, Chair: We will mute anyone who fails to follow these guidelines or who exceeds the established timeline it's without permission.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Finally, every now and then you will hear me refer to the meeting host Ashley SPC disease.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: BC Bay development design analyst and he is acting as host for the meeting behind the scenes to ensure that the technology moves the meeting forward smooth and consistently.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Please be patient with this if it's needed.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And as another item in case.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: For board members in case you have inadvertently forgotten to provide our staff of the report on any report on any written or oral ex parte communications.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I invite Members who have engaged in any such communications to report on them at this point by raising your hand and i'm muting yourself.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and Raphael and as they.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Will.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Mark know any board members that have raised their hands.


Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): We have no hands raised okay.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thank you.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: This part of Item number one of the agenda, I would like to request it, the secretary provide an update on one, the recent activities of the Sam San Francisco busy DC and the future meeting scheduled for the crb.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and Raphael will.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: cover these items.


Rafael: Thank you chair Borcherdt. I would like to provide you with an update on a few topics first of March 18, the Commission held a public hearing on proposed amendments to his regulations concerning permitting and planning matters that are qualified title 14.


Rafael: For your code or regulations division five.


Rafael: The proposed regulations changes include those governing the Members of the ECRB.


Rafael: The Commission to raise comments with respect to who the reduction of members and whether these will impact the recruitment of whether the search for an engineer geologists will be achievable in light of the scarcity of these types of professional.


Rafael: In particular Commission Rebecca eisen requested to know the reason for the reduction of memberships from 11 to nine.


Rafael: Chief counsel Marc Zepetello and regulatory director Brad McCrae responded that 11 is an unnecessary large number of advisory board members.


Rafael: By comparison, that the IRB consists of seven further to the best of our knowledge, the crb has probably never had 11 members so reducing the number will be more reflective of the membership now.

Rafael: Also, the consensus of nine Member provide sufficient technical advice to BC the sea.


Rafael: And quorum of five bottom nine Members makes him more efficient in likely to hold meetings.

Rafael: Finally, Mr McCrae expressed the recruitment of more Members has always been challenging.

Rafael: Also Commission Patricia Showalter asked whether BCDC will be able to recruit a licensed engineering geologist and, if not.

Rafael: Whether BCDC should revise the proposed changes to the regulations, describing the type of expertise, rather than the Members licensed trade a structural geotechnical engineering geologist.


Rafael: Mr Montes explain that historically BCDC has considered both the licensure and the expertise in his recruitment efforts, but the two professional treats we're not exclusive out the other.

Rafael: The fourth item of the agenda will brief the board on some of the regulation changes affecting the board, there will be some announcements to made.


Rafael: For information on the Minutes and recordings of the last meeting, please visit our website, the bcc website and click on the march 18 2021 Commission meeting link.

Rafael: I will also like to inform you that, due to budget constraints, only a summary of a meeting audio will be released and posted in the bcc website in lieu of meeting minutes which will no longer be compliant we which no longer will be compiled.

Rafael: There are no scheduled meetings, for now, however, please keep your easier be meeting dates open for the rest of the year for possible meetings.

Rafael: I will give you a routine monthly updates to let you know of potential or no meetings and that concludes the staff update, so I hand it back to chair Boucher for the approval of the draft minutes from August 30 2020 back to us here.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: At the next time on the agenda is Approval of the Minutes for our last meeting on August 13 2020 I will appreciate a motion and a second to approve for discussion, those minutes for the record, please specify the motions and seconds via voice.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: move the Minutes for approval.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: Jack Moehle.

Jim French, Board Member: We received some comments from Bob Italia that probably need to be incorporated before we before.

Rafael: I I do and I have Bob Battalio changes here.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And we just.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Did we get a second on the motion to bring him to the floor.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Frank well.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, we got a second.


Rafael: Okay, but let me stay battalions changes for for the record.

Rafael: Baba tanya made some changes on on page 14 and he has to do with the line is the fourth paragraph down on page 14.

Rafael: That reads he pointed out that, based on what Mr ya'll presented the 7.5 and 8.5 cod are above the 7.35 the Mr battalion are calculated for the female map in he cleared so changes to the numbers.


Rafael: that's all.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, I had a few minor things and I was just wondering, maybe.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: We could be efficient, about this.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I can quickly share my screen it's on page 16 let me see if I can share can I share my screen yeah.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: find it.

Rafael: You can just tell me where you know what what paragraph, it is.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay yeah I guess that that didn't work okay it's on page 16.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: At the top of the page it refers to usgs.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And i've got this marked on a PDF so I can send them to you Raphael.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, but you don't I don't think you know, so you want to have to jot them all down.


Rafael: Okay, but.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: They reversed the usgs that should be cgs and.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The third paragraph it says Mr rolo agreement says usgs that also should be cgs and then there's a change down on.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Another paragraph that is basically just a tense change in the sentence which is trivial and that's mark and a slight deletion on another item and then for completeness of record respect to the open meetings Act and the bag Aquino open meeting act.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Basically, we passed emotion and I had agreed to send a map and.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Raphael had a firm that he would be sending an attachment to the cgs that described the plan and so i've just indicated in the Minutes, where it says Mr Montes the firm i've just added see attached plan submitted to usgs by BC DC on October 18.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And then.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: In the at the top of the second paragraph, on page 17.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Or, I was to submit a map I basically also included the statement it says and.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: He suggested that me emotion to indicate consensus among the board, including specifics and I just added to be submitted see attached email, and so what i've done is i've provided provided a PDF for you Raphael that has all of these changes incorporated.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And then those two attachments attach.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay Okay, and so that you can, and so the email that I sent out to the board having to do with the plan that the Board is has received and the attached suggestion for the plan to be sent to cgs those are attached documents to complete the record.


Rafael: Okay cheer.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And I can send that everyone here in a moment when we're doing something else and i'll just send it out as me emailed everyone.


Rafael: For after the meeting yeah okay.

Rafael: Okay yeah.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, so.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Then.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: let's see where Okay, so are there any other changes with the specter suggestions for the Minutes.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: If there are none, then.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: i'll ask for motion, or for approval vote for approval and all in favor of approving the Minutes.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Please indicate by voice and say I.


Frank Rollo, Board Member: I.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I suppose.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: So the motion passes unanimously.


Rafael: In interest to make sure.


Rafael: board member Moehle made the motion first and WHO seconded?

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Frank, I believe.


Rafael: Okay, thank you.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, and so I guess that brings us to the presentation of the project.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: briefing for the oakland A's stadium.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The Members for the project are coming on now so welcome everyone.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: hi there thanks for having us, this is no rosen with the oakland A's.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And so.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: If you would like to introduce your Members or and and you will be making the coordinating the presentation is that true.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: yeah sure so i'll start and then maybe i'll call the.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: TEAM members submitting go around like that, with introductions so, as I said, no rosen with the oakland a's senior manager project development for the proposed ballpark district at Howard terminal.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Richard why don't you go ahead.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Great thanks.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: hi everyone thanks for having us i'm Richard Kennedy with James corner field operations, and we are the landscape architect or assisting the a's in the preparation of the open space parks and master plan vision for our terminal.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: push will be with you.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Thank you, Richard why don't we go develop array and Lindsay.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Show sure uh hi everyone delivery coastal engineer with Moffat and the cool glad to be here and present on this wonderful project, thank you.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Good afternoon, everybody or Yahoo with NGO geotechnical engineer on this project.


Ziad Shehab, Bjarke Ingels Group: And Hello everyone, this is a Z hop from park angles group big developing the Muslim with oakland a's and field operations, thank you.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Alright, well, thank you for TEAM members for those introductions are we ready for the presentation now.





Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: share my screen.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Can you see the presentation.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Yes.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Yes, okay.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So again, thank you very much for having us here today we're excited to present the proposed ballpark district, to the crb we've been to the bcc design review board twice now.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: and have a third scheduled, but this is our first first trip to to you all, so thank you for making the time and your schedules to to learn a little bit about the project at this at this briefing.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So I think it's always helpful to start with a brief overview of the project status, where where do things stand today.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So after three plus years of public engagement and agency engagement, we have reached a major project milestone, with the city of oakland and the port of oakland in the publication of the draft Dir.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: That occurred about one month ago, so we're in the thick of the 60 day public comment period that will run through April 27 2021.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: we're expecting city import approvals late this year and the bcc permitting process will follow into 2022 after those local approvals are secured.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So today's meeting objectives are really twofold to brief you on.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: You know, a whole host of information related to the project and to obtain some feedback and specific areas.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So we'll be briefing you on the concepts, you see here on the screen, you know the development concept and project schedule and that all the various site characteristics that will fall under the purview of the crb you can see listed on screen.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: will be looking to obtain feedback from you on specific areas, including the proposed reuse of the shipping container cranes that are located on site, the liquidation look liquefaction mitigation instrumentation and information desired by the ESA ECR be at our next meeting.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So where is our terminal Howard rural, as you can see, is 55 acres located approximately one miles south.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Of downtown oakland it is bordered to the north, by the railroad tracks in embarcadero West to the East by jack London square water street that pedestrian promenade to the south, by the oakland alameda estuary and the inner harbor and to the West by Spencer, steel and the ports beyond.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Its equidistant two three Bart stations what West oakland station, the Wall Street city Center station and the lake merritt Bart station.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: and close to a number of the neighborhoods that make over oakland really vibrant city that it is, including West oakland Jacqueline and square chinatown old oakland and downtown.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: And you can see, on the right, how the site relates to the bay trail as it exists today that's more of a concern of the design review board, but I think, important to note for for you as well that this project will be filling a critical gap and that they trail facility.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So this is our proposed vision for the site after a lot of time, effort and investment, this is what we envision our terminal looking like.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: You can see the ballpark located in the southeastern corner of the site, it would be the home of the future, home of the oakland a's and has approximately 35,000 fans on game day.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: You can see the publicly accessible rooftop park raining the top of the building and dipping down to me the waterfront open space just behind the right field they're opening up to the cranes yesterday alameda and the baby on.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Behind the ballpark you can see a fairly dense development program that is proposed, this includes up to 3000 units of much needed housing for the bay area 1.5 million square feet of office space about a quarter million square feet of retail 400 hotel rooms and a performing arts Center.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: You can see in this image, also the vast network of waterfront open spaces, that is proposed for the site which you will see in more detail later.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So the site was built out over time and you'll you'll hear a little bit more about this, but I wanted to give a brief overview before we hand things over to the technical experts on the call here today.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So just one last slide from me about the the build out of the site over time, and what that means for DC DC jurisdiction, because it's it's not your normal.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: site, as far as jurisdiction is concerned, so, starting with the image on the left, you can see, the original shoreline from 1877 MAC mapped approximately in that green line the.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Line furthest away from the water, of course, the site was expanded, then in the early 1900s to the red dashed line with the construction of a key wall that is still.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: located on site today underground and then in the 1980s, you can see the site was extended to its full extent in the condition.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: In the condition in which it exists today in that orange area, so a modern Wharf was constructed and the site was put into use as a modern shipping terminal for the port of oakland.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So, moving them to the image on the right, we can see a little bit about.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: The phils on site and the jurisdiction of DC DC so normally on the front sites vcs vcs jurisdiction extends 100 feet.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Inland of the site from from the shoreline in this case, you might think that would be the Wharf edge but you'd be wrong, because the site, the lower third of the site was actually fill permanent by DC DC.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: As I said in the 1980s so bcc jurisdiction is actually about a third of the way inward of the Wharf edge indicated on this image here and the light blue shaded area and that blue dashed line so that everything water word of that blue area is the shoreline band and with NBC DCS jurisdiction.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So with that i'll turn it over to hurry and the technical team to go through some of the more technical slides here and just let me know when you want to advance the slides and i'll i'll do some.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: As long no.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: and good afternoon again everyone.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So as know mentioned the historic shoreline which is shown here in blue.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Is is about halfway into the site from north to south the Green Line north of it is the edge of the intertidal zone.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So the March that existed between the Green and the blue was filled sometime in the very early part of the last century.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And remain that way until approximately the 1920s 30s when the.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: When the yellow phil that you see there was placed and contained by a bulkhead that no I mentioned.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So there's a there's a key wall there that is still there, that sort of contain that and, finally, the grateful that you see that extended to the current limits.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Of the of the site was placed in 1980 that's a relatively modern fill as we'll see later the bay mind was dredged out of that area and.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So we have different conditions on the site next slide please.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: here's sort of a pictorial history of the site we don't need to go into every one of these things, but this is sort of the succession filling and development on the site.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And you can see, on the bottom right Finally, is the current sort of configuration.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And perhaps notable is the one to the left of it, the 1980 configuration where you still have the peers sticking out and water into what is now phil next slide please.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Alright here's what it looked like in 1939 you can see sort of the two fingers of fill.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: That in chat out into the water, and you can see a lot of industrial activity landward of of those next slide.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: All right, here's a sort of a site plan a layout of how the development is envisioned currently.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: and

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: You know what's notable here is, we have that the ballpark straddling areas of different conditions.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So the the opportunities and challenges here are to.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: address these various areas such that we consider some static settlement liquefaction etc next slide.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Okay, so this is a very rough.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: depiction of the i'll call it soil types or soil generations.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: We have old fill non engineered fill on the North, that was placed over the Marsh.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: To the historic shoreline.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Then, in the early part of the last century, we have.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: The phil that's still in that green zone but is outboard of the historic shoreline.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: and extends out into that Pier.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And then we have the yellow which was hydraulically play Sam over dense and because the baby was dredged out and we'll talk a little more about that.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And finally, we have that triangle in the southeast portion.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: which was done as recently as 1995 for the work expansion.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Okay next slide.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So this is a construction drawing for the work that was done to fill the the portions that had been in water that we talked about that are that we're, this is the.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: sort of generation of work and really what salient here is the removal that dredging have a mud to entirely remove it before the placement of the sandy phil so the rock like that we see out there and the film behind it are placed on 10 sand.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Next slide please.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Okay here's a cross section.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: The water side is on the right.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: On the left, you see the battery piles that support the heavy loaded heavily loaded rail for the cranes, and the front rail is right near that notch on the right side on the water side.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: We have.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: The embankment itself sitting on the dense and, as I don't know if everyone can read this it's kind of small.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And we have the the rip wrap resentment the robbery baton went there.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And the piles which will see a photo of shortly that support the water side of the of the more.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Next slide please.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So here's.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: You know here's a relatively recent photo survey that was done in these files, you can see they're in good condition they're not really curved like that.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: This is the distortion in the photo.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And you know they're robust files, the last exhibit showed a cross section when these files these octagonal files that are that are in good condition, certainly for carrying gravity loads.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And, actually, as well as billable going to.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Our our modern and quite robust.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Next slide please.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Alright, so for geotechnical work we've done preliminary evaluations.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: liquefaction potential.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Both in the pre and the post 1980 fails.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Clearly, the outboard phil that which is closer to the current edge is more liquefaction susceptible the soils behind it, the let's call them the 1920s phil.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: have more fines are much thinner and less susceptible although.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: We want to be ultimately more precise and quantifying predicted vertical settlements seismic thing do settlements, so the plan is to.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: improve the recent phil and let's call it the 1980 phil through some sort of a dynamic process probably vibratory.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: and


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: and stabilize that phil and then, of course, bring him back up up up to grade after we lose some elevation and then with regard to the older phil.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: We will improve it on a sort of.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Building by building or load by load basis.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: As to whether its most cost efficient to just go with the foundations, or to improve it locally to support new loads.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: The rock diet is.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: is made up of large boulders and is founded on den sand and so we don't consider that a liquefaction hazard.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Next slide, I believe, yes, so at this point i'd like to turn it over to bill up to.


Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: educate us.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Well, thank you very much, yes, again developed already Moffat and Nicole good to be back here again i'll introduce.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Our next speaker and what she will talk about structural engineer as a day.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: The since it's a briefing what we have done, we have.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: done a preliminary evaluation to understand the condition of the structure and that went into our decisions on what sort of analysis to move forward with what criteria to use and what objectives performance objectives so with that i'll ask it to run through what our current approach.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: What our current knowledge of the structure is and then move forward from there and i'll take i'll come back to talk about the resiliency perspective ozzie.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: and good afternoon everyone thanks for the introduction um yeah so as.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: I mentioned earlier, we did some preliminary analysis just taking.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: You know, like on the task restriction to the analysis of one of the sections of the warfare, just to get a feeling the capacity.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: And the performance of the Wharf.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: in general.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: For because it's an existing structure we think we need to use a performance based approach and to.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Get the capacity of a structure at the different demand level and.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Set the objectives on the performance of the structure and do the comparison.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: For the developing the design criteria we are proposing using port of long beach warfare design criteria code since ASC seven is really am.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: developed a you know, but for the building design in a lot of assumptions in that code are not necessarily suitable for the marine type structures, however, we will use ASC seven and you see 41 to develop our seismic hazard levels.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: But under capacity and.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: object, you know performance objectives, we will, I would like to use the port of long beach work design criteria, which is all based on octagonal pre.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Pre cast paul's, which is exactly what we have at Howard term you know.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Since the use of the structure is going to change, so we use a California building code to look at the you know the occupancy and the risk category and see which.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Is the best to fit we think for this structure is really the risk category to since, and there is no permanent occupancy or any.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: eagerness or any part of the stadium is not on the Wharf there is maybe the portion of this.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Road around the stadium, and that might fall on the warp and we can.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: check that and see if we need to change the risk category from categories category to to risk category three.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: And regarding the objectives and the performance performance objectives.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Based on ase 41 there are two basic safety earthquake Level one and two BSE one and BSE two and a BSC to or earthquake or Level two is the risk targeted maximum consider as quick and.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: The risk, and then the BSC one or earthquake Level one will be the tutored of MC are based on a SEC for the one that we are going to consider regarding the performances, we are proposing to.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Have life safety performance for BSE to or mcr and for the tutor mcr using kind of like a cl E performance, like some.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Moderate damage about repairable maybe some down time we will have you know a few months and but it ended all.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: repairable which is more stringent than what the code requires i'm if i'm right the code requires for mcr to use and nor collapse and the life safety for the two third mcr, so we are basically changing the Level one and.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Two cla and the Level two to life, safety and not considering that not collapse and based on the preliminary analysis, we did we really have a lot of capacity on the structure and we don't think it's going to be a problem, the adult.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: and basically what we looked at at that only one span that we looked at the capacity of the structure is about two three times of the demand.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: But we would like to get you know your.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Any suggestion comments you have on the our our approach and any questions also you have, at the end next slide please.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: On the evaluation methodology we base, we have kind of three.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: sections one is the ballpark work interaction and that's a really is the open space area, however, we might need to consider to tree analysis, because if the.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: amount of soil or the field that we are going to put on top of the Wharf is changing from maybe the 12 inches to 30 or 40 inches so that would be the change on the mass, so we will consider that and we will do the different analysis.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: We are.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: As we saw that we are trying to keep one or two cranes, and on the Wharf and that needs to have separate analysis, we have proposed to check the crane by itself.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: The Wharf by South at that area and then.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: crane warfare interaction would be another analysis that to see the interaction between the two, we are, we need to consider maybe different connections for the Wharf to the for the crane to the Wharf from base isolation with controlled and.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: displacement, in order to limit the amount of force that can be transferred and to the crane.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: The other.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Consider.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: option is look at the collapse mechanism or the failure mechanism of the crane and because maybe the crane by itself is not a.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: You know hazard for us and, by the way, that it may collapse will be so we really need to study that that needs to be considered in our study.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: capacity of all the existing structures from deck to the pod that connection, and the pause will be calculated and kinematic loading so far we.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: For deposit our next to the diet queen don't think we will have any kinematic loading, but if any further analysis from Joe to come find any magic London, we will include that.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: analysis, we did in the preliminary phase was 2d but our push over analysis if it's needed, we can do 3D but the Wharf is very regular structure we can.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Do several to the push over analysis in capture the behavior and the response of the structure and for the design criteria document we use the strain limits as our performance objectives and the goals based on port of long beach design criteria.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: So.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: All right, on.


Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: It I think i'll.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Tell me.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: yeah Thank you so much, as he.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Before I get into this, you know, yes I you know just to reiterate that that that is the portion of the project north of the Rock deck and then the portion which is south of the update, which is the worst structure.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: In terms of flooding and resiliency and in terms of even the structural analysis that, as you described, you know the land uses building structures, the ballpark all of that is on on on ground right so it's part of the uptake itself.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: We took the approach that those areas can be raised, and so our target for flooding and for resiliency was to have everything north of the uptake to be raised, such that, even if we use the most conservative end of century 2100 numbers for sea level rise of about seven feet.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: We are there.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: I propose elevations for all of those building structures finish roars ballpark itself.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Is you know, can I can give them numbers but developer numbers would probably be the best the hundred year tied in this area of oakland is just under 10 feet and add it's about 9.7.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: The Wharf at present is about three to four feet above the hundred year tide.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Primarily because it was driven more by the ship, but the commercial operations themselves.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: So we have between three and a half, four and a half feet of blondes before the open space could be temporarily affected in the future.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: That would take us through at least 50 years from the present and beyond that 50 years there might be episodic flooding.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Again it's all open space and so that is an adaptation strategy and a plan that has that will be prepared, you know we've got the the meat of it put together and the.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Elements of open space that we are designing right now, will be able to accommodate that loan offloading or, to put in some minor structural barmes and things like that that would prevent even that kind of flooding.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: The building's themselves are proposed to be elevated to about plus 16 so we've gone through you know the title flooding the storm water flooding.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Since this is at in the city of oakland port and the city also have their own guidance policies for sea level rise, those were.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Before the ocean protection Council, which is the current state of science and knowledge as far as.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: The pay plan climate change policies work, which is the ocean protection Council we looked at both the numbers that I read out were all related to the more recent ocean protection guidance.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Next slide know.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: The constraints, obviously, are going to be where we tie in to the embarcadero you know those areas, the streets, will have to match those and so we're coming up kind of the same approach that we had used.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: At a couple of other projects both Raphael and brad would know how we dealt with mission rock it's very much the same approach that we are dealing in here where we're going as quickly as possible to the required elevations and yet meeting grades.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: That is a kind of wall that is being proposed.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: And that is primarily to take care of seepage related groundwater race itself, there are some lower portions more for operational aspects of the stadium activities and.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Service things, and those are what we call the access at the pre sales and so those are lower, and so the groundwater would keep much of those problems, you know at bain.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: We looked at several options, and I think some of the upcoming slides here go through you know what sort of adaptations can be implemented on the project itself.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Next slide now I think that's you.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Thank you um so now we're going to look at the site plan that's proposed for the project i'm going to actually do this a little bit out of order because I think it makes a little more sense.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Looking first here at the the baseline site plan and then we'll look at what's called the maritime reservation scenario site plan.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So this this plan that we're seeing on on the screen here is the concept plan that reflects the rendering we saw earlier in the presentation So you see some faint lines on on the plan dashed in here the line of the existing rip rip wall, can you see my cursor.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Okay, the line of the existing rap rap wall that i'm tracing right now is effectively the back of the Wharf i'm sorry for my dog in the background, there.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: This line here as the existing key wall so that was the.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: structure that's underground and that was built in the early 1900s and then back here, we see bcc shoreline can trace 100 feet off that so it's just helpful to see how some of these things.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: lay out on the site plan I think again with the ballpark in the southeastern corner of the site surrounded by the mixed use development to the West and the waterfront open space along the Wharf.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So that's the that's the project as as propose, but there is a Another scenario and other condition that we need to consider.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: And that would take into account the potential expansion of the inner harbor turning basin, that the port might undergo with the army corps.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So and that's in that scenario is is what we call the maritime reservation scenario.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So currently the inner harbor turning basin is located just off the Southwestern corner of the site here and, as you all, probably know it's a large dredged area where the large container ships turn around.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: With the help with the bar pilots before after they call at the port of oakland.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Now, with ships getting bigger the port has been you know sort of considering the potential expansion of one of their turning basins, they have, I think three one in the outer harbor and then one at the mouth of the estuary.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: But when the as came along, when we came along, and propose our project at the site we accelerated the need to to make a decision.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Because we were talking about you know, proposing a project on all 55 acres here, and so the support is currently undergoing a study with the army corps of engineers a feasibility study to determine.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: If they if it's feasible to expand one of our tiny basins and, if so, which one might might be most feasible or, at least in feasible and.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So, to protect the future maritime interests of the port the is agreed to this alternate condition, called the maritime reservation scenario that reduces the size of acreage by 20%.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: and gives the port, the option to take back these 10 acres located here in the southwest corner of the site, should they need them to expand the turning basin.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So this this cut would like I said, reduce reduce the site increased by 20% and reflects the maximum potential expansion of that turning basin, that the port and our record might pursue.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: The expansion might be smaller than this, but obviously we need to consider the maximum impact, to make sure that the expansion of the turning base in would be possible, should the port want to pursue it in this location in the future.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: And from our perspective, we want to you know, make sure that we have a project that works in both conditions so.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: We think about the project in two phases generally phase one east of market street here right down the middle of the site and west of market street.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: So in both scenarios phase one is identical because construction will likely be underway on phase one before the poor makes a decision on these 10 acres.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: They have about eight years to make to make a determination so construction phase one needs to work in either instance, if they do take the area, or if they don't.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Phase two obviously sees a more dramatic change the general layout and development pattern is the same extending the existing city grid across the railroad tracks onto the site.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: But a couple of development blocks or last as as some of the waterfront open space area So these are the two projects scenarios that you'll see reflected in the projects are.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: And it's important to note that, if the training basin is expanded, it would be a separate project pursued by the port and the army corps.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: With its own environmental review with its own permitting process so that's not what we're.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: here to talk about with you today are we just wanted to be.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: clear that our project plans do accommodate the potential need to expand this this turning basin So those are the side plans and at this point, alternative over to Richard Kennedy with James carville operations to talk about some of the landscape and the waterfront sections.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Right thanks know and while the impetus of the project is certainly the new ballpark.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: The ambition of the project is to create a whole host of other attractions and destinations that make this not only a great addition to oakland and its waterfront but also a regional draw for people from all throughout the bay area and surrounding communities.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Most notably, beyond the ballpark is the waterfront which the team isn't visioning as a continuous waterfront park the waterfront park is.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: public space with with a lot of variation in diversity for public use but it's also where many of the the new ones grade transitions occur.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: That dylan was starting to allude to and the following slides will walk you through some of those treatments, as well as some of the design intent.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: But this image here shows the overall vision continuous waterfronts with public access all along the edge green spaces new canopy stepped in viewing features, to allow for the most dramatic experiences of being on the estuary here next slide.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: This plan shows all of the designated public spaces, the different color codes are how we've been.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Thinking of them as.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: places that have similar material or quality qualitative treatments plazas that are that are more England on the North portion of the site athletics way, which is the industry in prominent that circles, the ballpark and originates at jack London square on the right, the.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: garden rooftop of the ballpark as a publicly accessible rooftop with great views of the field itself, but also the estuary in horizon and then the waterfront Park, which has no is describing is envision has been delivered over the period of two larger phases next slide.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: we're trying to build in great diversity so there's a bit of something for everyone here.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Urban spaces tied to ground floor retail and CAFE prominence spectral spaces public viewing portals into the into the ball field, so that the public can come and enjoy the game, not unlike fans can do an oracle park today.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Using spaces below the cranes, the existing cranes are retained on site, as these dramatic large scale sculptural features.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: harbor beach you'll see the section, which is a.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Plaza in many ways, with with the sand surfacing to simulate the beach like space, but also more naturalized areas with the public, art and other programs excellent.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: So i'll walk you through a few sections where we get into a little detail about where this the site sits relative to sea level rise and some of our responses and first we're effectively going from.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: east to west or the left hand side of the plan to the right, and so this is a section now, so the estuary i'm on the left here and ballpark beyond on the right.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And this is this section through what I was calling the urban beach there, and you can see, on the left hand side some some datum elevation points.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: The end, this is all and add datum.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: The 11.6 elevation which is mid century and 2050 the existing Wharf they're shown and the section is above above that elevation and then the 2100 This is again the conservative estimate at elevation 16.6 above that.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: has dealt with describing We do understand that you know we can conserve it even in conservative estimates that the current deck is resilient to for 50 years till about 2017.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: But in our treatments we're still anticipating that we want to create as much protection as possible, and so we have a series of elevation adjustments along the edge.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: In this case, you have a series of bleachers and a small earthwork those which are serve dual purpose in the long run, they make the park beyond protected for friend of century and beyond.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: But they also create spectator spaces for the public to view out across the beach and all the exhibitionism there, but also the view out the to the estuary.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And, and all these sections you'll see that the guardrail at the edge is designed on day one, is a typical guardrail fully poor us an open, but in in.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: In several decades, if the need does arise that cargo could be adapted provide even additional protection as a very surgical way of dealing with.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: sea level rise protections beyond 50 years next slide.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: So now moving further further to the West, this is the section, which is immediately adjacent to the ballpark it's perhaps the tightest section.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: between development and the waterfront where the ballpark is 100 feet from the edge of the of the Wharf you're seeing here the bay trail condition.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: As minimally shown as 18 feet, but it connects to a larger Plaza creating much more space there.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: The ballpark itself is raised to be to be resilient as developers describing all building parcels are raised well above the 2100 or end of century elevation and in order to mitigate those the great transitions down to existing Wharf there's a series of Ada.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: sloping walkways but also seating terraces in order to just take advantage of the elevation to create better spaces for view.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And this would be a location, that if it becomes required beyond 50 year horizon that modifications could be occurred could be made to the guardrail to provide additional years of protection for that war zone.


next one.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Going further West, this is through an open space in this particular section is one of our wider park zones.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: There is one parcel here that is designated for a park pavilions did you see hatch they are in the right hand side that you have a pokey serving.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Facility consistent with trust uses that can provide activation to the street on the right hand side and the park on the left.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: In this case, you have a graduate sloping landscape from the Wharf elevation up to the elevation of streets and building pads you know, using soft undulating topography, to create passive park spaces.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And, and you know, keeping the dwarf elevation as it's currently exists, again with modifications happening beyond the 20 year horizon, if required.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And this is a you know, because this is designed as a soft landscape other adaptation measures could occur.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: You know, with using typography if that that is the more appropriate at that time.


Next slide.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And just zoom in to that particular section showing how the design intent for an installation the passive park so everything is flushing uniform and.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: Accessible but options to adapt beyond this, the fifth year horizon.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: And and just a.

Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: representation of the overall vision ballpark as the impetus, the development beyond which is an extension of.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: downtown housing and office spaces.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: But the draw of the waterfront as a public amenity.


Richard Kennedy, Field Operations: designed to be a destination for all.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Right, thank you, Richard yeah so that's sort of the end of the presentation that we had prepared for you today.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: we're happy to.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Take questions have a discussion and revisit slides that's helpful.


Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: or follow your lead, thank you.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, well, thank you very much it's a very interesting project and very nice presentation.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: really appreciate it, I think the next item on the agenda of the way.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The CDC is requested that.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: We take questions as they would first like to take questions from the public is that true Rafael.


Rafael: We can we can do it either way, but since you mentioned that yeah if we have anybody in the public to come in, and then we can focus on on the boards question.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Actually, are there any questions from the public.


Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): We do Dave Bleacher you have three minutes to comment i'm going to unmute you now.


Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: david's still muted now.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: it's too late you're I think you're muted, if you don't know that they can unmute yourself.


Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Alright, well, maybe we can get Mr bleacher back on the phone in a second why don't we go is actually is there anybody else.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: To return to the board comments on the project brad.


Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Yes, unless there's.


Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Other speakers Ashley is there anybody else.


Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): there's no other public comment all right.


Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Yes, Chair let's go ahead and go to board comments Thank you good.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: sure we kind of bill would you like to start.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: Well yeah my some of my questions were answered with the as the presentation went on, with those sections, but when we're talking about the appear and its structural qualities and what it was supporting it was.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: I didn't have enough of the site in my mind understand what the relationship of the stadium and.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: Everything else was to those structures, so the the concept of it being a risk category to have would depend upon you know that relationship and I I just didn't understand it, but it was became clear later.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: So that's my comment.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thank you.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Other comments.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I might might bring up something it seemed to me that.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: ellipses well pointed out, but one of the challenges will be to accommodate the differential motions that might occur across the structure, because of the different kinds of soil conditions and.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Possibly could be some real challenges in doing that, and it may require I assume some sort of read mediation procedures and those may need to expand not.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Be or be used not only in the areas that were filled with sand, but in some of the other areas as well, in order to have the.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: foundation conditions as uniform as possible, otherwise it would seem to me that might be necessary also to take into account some of these differences in terms of the structural design and one of the specific questions I have is is has to do with the thickness of the soils.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Or the depth of the bedrock beneath the there the depth of this stuff of soils beneath the site and how they vary from the landlord side out toward the water.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: I can address that chair Boucher.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: With rafales permission or, with your permission.

Rafael: is called bad never can be go ahead.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So, with regard to the dissimilar soil conditions within the footprint of the.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: stadium, we will not only be improving the soil throughout.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: will be demystifying the soil throughout that footprint, but also the stadium itself will be on pile foundations, except of course for the field so it'll be on deep foundations.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: With regard to the.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: depth to the differential in the depth of bedrock across the site it's it's it's.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: very, very small it the depth of bedrock is quite uniform over the footprint of the ballpark or any given structure.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So and it's very it's very deep in that area.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: it's you know over 1000 feet, to the bedrock in that area, so we will be doing very detailed site response and.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: You know ground motion studies as part of the final design and to the extent we have different so vs 13.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: within any given structure footprint will take that into account.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Will you be drilling test my boreholes to.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Take more information, with respect to the boring logs or yes, yes.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Yes, we plan any borns yeah.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Roger I have a couple questions, if I may.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Sure, are you going to subject the CRATE the existing cranes, to the same seismic design criteria that you are to the stadium.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Number one number two will the public have access to the cranes.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: And if not, how do you how do you propose to isolate the cranes from the surrounding Park Area.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Maybe I could take the second question first and then.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Let the team handle the first one regarding seismic design criteria, so we were not currently planning on facilitating public access up into the cranes at this point, I mean there's been some pretty interesting ideas about how to do that.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: You know the idea of like bar restaurant, you know as garnered a lot of support raises some eyebrows could be a very big draw for the city of oakland.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: But at this point it's not part of the proposal, and so we would have to your right to turn the public from you know climbing the structures in an unsafe way, but we have not developed specific details of that yet.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: But that would be addressed if it if you're not going to use it for.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Right relational purposes such as a bar and restaurant.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Right certainly.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: And so, but now the more important question the behavior that's those cranes.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: will have to meet the same criteria that you're posting on the stadium, or will be more rigid.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Oh, maybe also they can.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: help with this one.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Sure um basically no it's just what we were looking at was to consider the collapse mechanism and see if it's a proper you know it can create danger and how it's going to collapse in prevent that, but the seismic criteria would be the same as this design of the Wharf.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Not not the not the stadium.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Not the stadium but considering maybe different risk category like going from rich scattered two to three and then.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: But we have to study them collapse mechanism for the crane We really need to know the response of the crane because.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: it's correct that nobody is on it by date, can you know, be a hazardous search right there if it fails or collapse.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: that's my concern I would.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Like that's why we are you know right now is under roller but also we are getting help you know any sort of base isolation and that we prevent you know transferring the force and energy as much as possible to the crane.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: So the Greens will be will be locked down, I mean right now, they are free to move along the entire Wharf and the plan would be to lock down.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: Whatever number of grains ultimately make its way onto the project if it's all for them all for will need to be when I say lockdown it's not digitally connected, but they will be kept from going up the rails will very likely be removed.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: However, the certain response requires it either leave some sort of connections try to take advantage of the base isolation that already exists.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: It is dynamic and so we would try and.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: it's that's that's to be analyzed and we'll be looking at that as we're cool glasses here.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: And I suspect to see ECR be will be question having a lot of questions when it gets to that point, so I would hope it'd be analyzed thoroughly yep.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Thank you.

Jim French, Board Member: I have some questions comments.

Jim French, Board Member: It seems with these cranes, maybe i'm are these workhorses or whatever they are from the Star Wars, there could be a theme there you know I guess it's going to protect us from interstellar attack.

Jim French, Board Member: So, to be a safe place to be.

Jim French, Board Member: um.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see, let me start with a non jetta question I guess what's the elevation of a field, I didn't catch that quite i'm curious.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: At plus five city of oakland which.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: is about just under 11 elevation was 11.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see another one one more non Jia tech question jurisdiction i'm curious why we go back from the old shoreline not all the way back to the.

Jim French, Board Member: intertidal zone, which would take the entire site almost not a jetta question it's just a just a curiosity that I have.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: I mean, I can give brad where you gonna.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Go ahead and ask the invite ethan or.

to feel that question if you'd like.

Ethan Lavine, BCDC: i'm sorry, can you hear me.


Ethan Lavine, BCDC: yeah so the the jurisdictions established.

Ethan Lavine, BCDC: it's a little bit complicated to say, this was discussed before but it's established from the time the Commission was established so in 1965 so you know much of the upland areas were filled prior to the creation of the Commission.

Ethan Lavine, BCDC: Some areas were subsequently activated and refill the subject to have parameters service Center to permit the Commission So those are those are the areas that are currently within our Bay jurisdiction and so that's that's where we look at impacts from phil.

Jim French, Board Member: Okay that's kind of what I was expecting just kind of curious to.

hear that from someone.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see moving more GEO tech.

Jim French, Board Member: Just a comment to hurry that.

Jim French, Board Member: there's been a lot of.

Jim French, Board Member: fiber identification done along the Bart.

Jim French, Board Member: translate tube within the port of oakland if you want to see some records of Bible compaction.

Jim French, Board Member: You know at the port of oakland it's over in verse 3335 something like that, but it might be relevant studies.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see I noticed in the not in the presentation today, but I downloaded the er or a couple pieces of the er.

Jim French, Board Member: and looked at those very briefly.

Jim French, Board Member: In the there's several places where it mentions lateral spreading, but in this selek analysis in the back of the Jew tech report.

Jim French, Board Member: It looks like the lateral spreading option was turned off, and so it looks like zero but it looks like zero because it was told to be zero, and I would suggest you consider letting that run, even though you're off behind some.

Jim French, Board Member: Some rock tags and so on, you still have a little bit of slope I think non zero slope across the site to my guess is that lateral spreading at least start you understand you're gonna you're going to mitigate it and fix it, but you know for the baseline case, I think that would be informative.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: yeah I mean generally we don't rely on see like for lateral spread analyses we do you know more rigorous analysis but we're improving all that soil we're not expecting perfection.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And so, but yes, we will definitely dive deep into both vertical and lateral displaced.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: analyses.

Jim French, Board Member: That i'm.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: The old yep all de the old key wall, the old rock Daddy.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: is buried on both sides right that's not a free face.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And so what we're talking about is the is the newer one right.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: The 1980 product.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Which is quite robust and again we're going to be mitigating liquefaction behind it north of it so but yeah yeah we will be doing all those types of analyses.

Jim French, Board Member: You know and understand about the walls and the open faces and there aren't really any significant open spaces, but.

Jim French, Board Member: bartlett and yeah out, for instance, or yeah out at all, or whatever the various configurations of that I talked about lateral spreading, even when you're at long distances away from coconut faces just because you have a little bit of a slope, and it kind of ratchets downslope incrementally.

Jim French, Board Member: So I think it's a non zero number, at least.

Jim French, Board Member: Until you until you mitigate I understand you're going to mitigate that a bad thing, be interesting to know.

Jim French, Board Member: What you're starting with and how much it's going to be improved.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see then the seismic dyke deformations.

Jim French, Board Member: I think you have some very small numbers, the port of oakland worth embankment strengthening program from night from 2000 or so 1999 through 2001 or two.

Jim French, Board Member: thought that the Howard terminal was going to deforms somewhere between.

Jim French, Board Member: two and five feet something like that that the rock dyke was going to the form that motion design level earthquake.

Jim French, Board Member: And I think that needs to be addressed at least.

Jim French, Board Member: Yet it shows.

Jim French, Board Member: That studies showed that the deformations within the material behind the diet you guys talked about.

Jim French, Board Member: mitigating strengthening improved ground improvement behind the rock dyck.

Jim French, Board Member: But the movements that this that the shear strength behind the diet can have in the old port of oakland studies showed that those strings were vertical behind the dike and then becoming sort of slow flies out in the deck so.

Jim French, Board Member: A number of types of improvement, you just need to look and make sure that that that's really improving that.

Jim French, Board Member: it'll certainly improve but settlement.

Jim French, Board Member: But it doesn't necessarily interrupt those slide points, depending on what the methods are.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: yeah and you know that said believable number it's everything behind that dynamic is liquefying.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So, but yeah point, point well taken.

Jim French, Board Member: But I think it requires you know slacker plexus are intact or method, which I think you're you're suggesting that that will occur yeah um.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see Roger kind of, I think, maybe stole my thunder on the next question that the queue wall splits the site and there's you're going to have to be careful, the evaluation of differential performance different differential response.

Jim French, Board Member: Especially.

Jim French, Board Member: You know matter really during.

Jim French, Board Member: During seismic events, but I think you've been static Lee.

Jim French, Board Member: You know the field itself, I assume won't be on piles.

Jim French, Board Member: And so that needs to be looked at very carefully, there may be some main issues to you know there's some irregularities.

Jim French, Board Member: You know ball fields are pretty sensitive to pretty subtle differential movements, and so I would kind of expect for a few years there'll be some maintenance issues, maybe not during the.

Jim French, Board Member: During the year but.

Jim French, Board Member: The Year of the year, there may be some ongoing differential settlements.

Jim French, Board Member: And with an earthquake, there may be something also even though you get this down to pretty small numbers that would be a reasonable chance there'd be something I think.

Jim French, Board Member: final thought comment I had was non geotechnical also just that there's prevailing winds that come in there.

Jim French, Board Member: I used to fly away to control gliders and every afternoon from.

Jim French, Board Member: Basically, from April through through September, no opening day through the world series there's a strong wind coming from home plate to Center field.

Jim French, Board Member: So that'll maybe improve the statistics of the batter's and maybe.

Jim French, Board Member: you've had for pictures.

Jim French, Board Member: Let your your headers.

Jim French, Board Member: How wins oils, you have some pretty enormous buildings just upwind from the stadium is that going to cost swirls.

Jim French, Board Member: And funny behavior with high fly balls or pop ups, not very geotechnical and so it's not really quite my engineering criteria, but just throw my cubits him.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: to shoot that now as a good comment, we have done some fairly detailed wind modeling.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: In a wind tunnel, with a with a model of the site and will continue to refine that as as the design advances, but it's it's definitely true the ones can be strong out of the West their.

Jim French, Board Member: Their boards, a couple other.

Jim French, Board Member: Across across the water over in the naval air station they're.

Jim French, Board Member: Pretty windy all the time.

Jim French, Board Member: to your board every every apple hands up from a board member Washington and also Mr Holmes.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, and yeah bill, do you have a comment.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: yeah we've we've been we have confronted this issue before in terms of the risk category in the code.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: The risk categories in the code are not very well defined but.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: Often these peers are reclaimed and are magnets for the public, so you're asking the public to come out and sit on the on the front and especially that beach area and.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: It would seem to me that I don't know what the occupancy whatever be, but I would seriously consider using a risk category three for that Pier and the cranes, and all that public space.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Like smell rod give a comment.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: yeah I had a couple.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: I think that container cranes the you know industrial structures are built very efficiently and as such I think they can be very fragile, so I wouldn't be really careful in the analysis of of that structure, especially if you're going to.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: lock down the the wheels are somehow.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: You know, keep the wheels from moving of the of the structure, they do get a lot of base isolation and so, if you're taking that away you're going to be driving more force into into the structure and it's again very efficient, so I don't think there's a lot of redundancy there.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: And then the other thing I was thinking about was the use of ASC 41.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: Four, and I assume it's just for the Wharf structure itself and i'm curious if the the new stadium foundation is affected by.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: The part of the you know the part of the structure that we're talking about now and and one of the things I think about is that the.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: And going through this right now and that's my day job, where the existing foundation for a shed that's burned down has to be brought up to the current Code if you're going to put another building on it, you can't reuse.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: You cannot reuse an existing foundation without bringing it up to the current Code and so that's a.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: Question and yeah I would think that, if this is a.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: The the Wharf is going to be a public gathering spot, and so I concur that you know you should be thinking about looking at risk category three, for your design there.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: I think all the other questions that I had were have been discussed already, but I just wanted to bring those those two up.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thanks RON.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And I have a question.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: For jack maybe actually but thinking in terms of the differential motions that the stadium might experience, because of the different set of conditions.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I know, in the case of the Berkeley stadium that you were involved in the difference or motions course were a different nature in the sense that the stadium straddled the fall.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And I was wondering if any the technology for the Berkeley stadium with respect to the differential emotions might possibly be of interest or relevant in this situation.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: it's rather I don't recall any you're traveling wave kinds of problems or differential motion because of different site conditions across the site that the main concern in the memorial stadium stadium on the Berkeley campus was the.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: The creep on the fault, as well as the sudden release your fault movements up to maybe seven feet and having sliding joints so I don't think there's anything of that sort here to worry about I don't think we've covered anything else related to differential movements there.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah and you mentioned the traveling waiting situation, it could be a problem in this case, I think, in the sense that.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The sheer way velocity and soil are are relatively low and so wavelength can be you know 150 meters or less, and so you can have different parts of the stadium experiencing different parts of the wave.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: That would cause additional strange that may be something that you would definitely want to take into account.

Jim French, Board Member: yeah Roger I was the jetta on the stadium, and what we did was there were some strawberry creek movil channel goes through the stadium, and so we did ground, an improvement there stiffening it up aiming to achieve modulus values comparable to the surrounding.

Jim French, Board Member: very stiff pleistocene all soils and so we did consider.

Jim French, Board Member: Not site response variation per se, but the Foundation response in terms of modules.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah change sides.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah I was thinking about that from grandmas and point of view and, of course, you do have in that soft materials, you do have the.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: effect of not only the differential motions from the incoming body ways, but you do have differential emotions associated the surface ways propagating across the site.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: That brings me to another question that I often bring up but I noticed in your summary know that you an instant indicated.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Agenda, the things that might be covered with instrumentation and I was wondering what your plans for instrumentation work.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Or if you wanted some thoughts and suggestions as to what an implementation plan might be.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I think it it's kind of important to think about that early on in the project, because the instrumentation can be installed quite.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: efficiently and cost effectively if it started about in the early part of that program and I guess if you were to ask me for a recommendation I would suggest that.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: You think in terms of a bottle with three components sensors in place to three different levels in the borehole with one of them being in rock one of the surface mining intermediate depth on the water side of the stadium.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And I would also think, in turn, it might be appropriate to be thinking in terms of a.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: distribution of instruments in the structure itself so that you can tell, through our displacements, the structure and that should be something.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: That would be basically designed by a structural engineer in consultation with the California geological survey and, of course, all of this should be developed.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: With their suggestions and thoughts, then, because of the.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: large extent of the Wharf the water side, it may also be appropriate to place three components sensors the long maybe three different locations along the waterfront and then possibly another sensor to up close to that on the current where the cranes are.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Anyway, those are just some tentative thoughts to toss out early in the beginning and.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And, of course, if there's going to be borel logging taking place to determine the thickness of the soils that's an excellent time to be thinking in terms of having a oral setup with casing to put instrumentation down so.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The field few thoughts on the instrumentation I don't know what your plans were in that regard, but those are a few suggestions.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: I think you tried not sure we had specific thoughts or anything to respond on there.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: yeah no I think we'll come up with a suggested instrumentation program for cgs consideration.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay Okay, I have a brief summary that I can provide you, if you like, it so.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Other comments on the project.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): No other board members have their hands up, but do we want to try to give Dave bleacher another chance.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: It looks like Mr trivedi also would like to jump in if you.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: were just a question really I mean I saw some questions leading towards the ballpark structure itself and that wasn't really an element that we covered or we're planning to cover is that something that is your expectation when we bring the project to you for the full review.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: And I guess it's the applicability of the review process, you know the ballpark is on phil I guess technically could be considered Bay filled but it's not in the Bay because because of jurisdiction, so I think we would like some guidance from staff.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Happily, happily happy to do that deal up, thank you for the question, if I understand your question right are you asking this is the same level of review that you would otherwise do for a project that is in the water is that the question.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: yeah I mean the ballpark structure itself we haven't discussed we haven't discussed what the foundations for the video the performance, you know those are that's an expectation, we need to bring another portion of our team into it.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: understood so in the past, and this is for everyone's knowledge was the short answer your question is yes, I think we are, I think, if I understand your question, the answer is yes we're going to ask the ECB to review this as if it is.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: In the bay, the bay jurisdiction is as ethan explained extends far inland and outside of the hundred foot shoreline van the bay was filled for the purposes of port uses those.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: That phil that was authorized by the Commission was was authorized pursuant to a permit that clarifies, as do all our permits that once the Bay is filled it's always considered a jurisdiction.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: it's particularly important here, because this is not only a structure on that filled land but it's a structure that will have a lot of people so public safety is vital and so it's imperative that the ECB look at this project, just as it would, if it was on a war over the bay.


Rafael: it's going to add, I was gonna reiterate brad's point in that.

Rafael: The ECRB is not used to seeing this type of projects that are the same ones that are planned right the ECRB loads of projects in the bag over water, and this is different and it's only different because this happens to be on a landfill pay the westfield after 1965 in the US, why.

Rafael: bcc applies his Bay jurisdiction, which enables the easier bees intervention for every view of everything within that historic line 1965 to what is now in the Wharf and in that will include whatever structures are going to be there.

Rafael: The stadium the park features.

Rafael: In anything that is you know when you look at the stadium within the bay area you're not going to just look at half of the steam you're gonna have to look at the whole thing.

Rafael: don't parse out because it's one structure and.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: yeah thanks Raphael is dealt nose and as Rafael just said, this is different than the ECB does not look at structures in the shoreline band.

Dilip Trivedi, Moffatt&Nichol: They look at film projects, and so this is an unusual and develop so thanks for asking the question yeah we don't want to come down and not have that word that's a significant amount of work that is going on separately.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: And even would you like to is there anything that I missed you want to add.

Ethan Lavine, BCDC: No, no, I don't think.

Ethan Lavine, BCDC: Thanks sure boards right back to you.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, the only other thing we haven't discussed then would is too much is is what reinforcements or what additional work with respect to the.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: surrounding.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Walls as far as the film is concerned.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I guess the reinforcements of the Wharf and and this the content they contain the containment structures of the soft soils.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Are there plans for additional work or do they the ones that are currently in place.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: considered adequate.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: containment structures or the are really the the outer wall and that's considered adequate the soils behind it will be improved.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: there'll be dense defied throughout throughout the site both behind the key wall and behind the outer wall, the modern.

Jim French, Board Member: yeah thats related to what I.

Jim French, Board Member: said earlier that the.

Jim French, Board Member: Courts Wharf and abandonment strengthening program suggested that the deck itself is going to.

Jim French, Board Member: move in a design level earthquake so that needs to be just confirmed.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: yeah will be running the American models and all this.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: simulating the improved condition of the contain soils.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: So right now that everything behind the outer wall, the southern wall is liquefied.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And, and so it's very plausible that you get significant movement of that that wall and so will be modeling all of those things.

Jim French, Board Member: let's see I had two more quick comments, I guess, just to notice that note to note that the rock dykes are difficult to drive most pilots through so pay attention to everything is going to be power supportive what kind of files are you going to punch through the.

Jim French, Board Member: rock decks.

Jim French, Board Member: And also thinking in terms of not you know, probably the stadium, but also the.

Jim French, Board Member: The fairly tall buildings, do you have just to the West, I guess, it is might be good opportunity to try and drill some fairly deep holes to get.

Jim French, Board Member: sure way velocity of profiles, maybe even as far as Brock there's going to be some pretty sophisticated.

Jim French, Board Member: response analysis on the tall buildings, as well as on the stadium, and you know, even if you use.

Jim French, Board Member: Even if you're not propagating motions, all the way from the bottom, just to know that that the soil profile is pretty consistent with what was assumed and the development of NGOs to ground motion.

Jim French, Board Member: Libraries if it's not pretty compatible without and maybe it's worth doing some more detailed site response, rather than starting a fire with the groundlings.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: yeah We very much plan on doing that we're going to be doing adaptive bedrock geophysics using you know ambient waves and also using the horizontal vertical spectral ratio types of analyses.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: And we're going to we're going to develop vs vs profiles, all the way to bedrock and then we plan to do a nonorganic seismic hazard analysis.

Rafael: Noah.

Rafael: Can you address the timeline.

Rafael: When you're going to bring this back to the survey.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: I think I think that will happen after local approvals from the city in oakland wants project plans have advanced more.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: In the wake of a certified Finally I our development agreement with the city in those in those documents, so we need to secure those approvals and and then advanced the design, some more after doing some of those studies that were mentioned in the presentation today so.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: 2022.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Is sudden you know sometime in 2022 is likely to return to the E corp for us.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thank you, I can say from an easy IRB perspective, we certainly appreciate you bringing that project for it at such an early stage I think it's always best to have these preliminary discussions and see the project development and it's an exciting project and.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: we'll have a big impact, I think, on the economy in oakland and so.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Great.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Good yeah well we're happy to have the time with you all to to talk at this early stage, so thank you for your your interest in the project.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: there any other comments on the project.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: Roger this is bill I got one more comment we're talking about these risk categories, the stadium.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: bye bye occupancy criteria would be at a minimum of what risk category three, but but risk category for.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: includes designated emergency preparedness communications and operations centers and other facilities required for emergency response.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: And if you look across the country indoor and outdoor stadiums have often been used for post disaster.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: Whatever use whatever, so I think it'd be good to have some communication and make sure it's all aboveboard everybody understands, whether it be.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: A risk category three or four because, after an adult in the city would say oh damn I wish that was for it so it'd be good to get that clarified beforehand.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah very good comment.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Other comments.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): No other panelists have their hand up and we can try Dave bleacher one more time for public comment.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, thank you.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): So Dave if you're on you can unmute yourself and speak.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): Going once going twice.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): chair board.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: So there are no public comments, then.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Well, thank you very much brad go ahead now That completes this.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: This item thanks Mr.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay.

Uri Eliahu - ENGEO: Cherry orchard and members of the board appreciate your time.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah well, thank you very much, excellent presentation.

Noah Rosen, Oakland Athletics?: Thank you for having us take care.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Okay, thank you.

Azadeh Bozorgzadeh: Thank you, thanks.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Richard I see that Larry goldsboro has joined us for the next agenda item, this is the discussion of the ECB succession planning agenda item number four and before we get started.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: I just want to set the table of why we're talking about succession planning we've seen a lot of changes in the last six months, last October, as you may recall.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Both Richard dornhelm and marissa marissa both ECB Board members retired from the crb and then two months later and December Lou gilpin easier vs geologists retired.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: And currently in the last few months, our staff or legal staff are proposing changes to vcs regulations to set up the ECB for success for years to come.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: But board members, I also have an another announcement this week Roger and frank informed me that they're retiring from the crb and stepping down after decades of service to be CDC effective after the German of today's meeting.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: And while this is a big announcement all hope is not lost because even though they're retiring from the board both have offered to serve the Commission is alternate board members in the future.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Both gentlemen have said that they're capable willing and eager to serve etc, etc, and whichever capacity is needed.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: and the last thing i'll say and then i'd like to turn it over to our executive director Larry golds man is that the staff.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: That works with easy or be regularly Raphael and all of us, like to express our deep appreciation for Roger and frank time on the board.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: 30 years and 23 years respectively, they volunteer their expertise advising development teams, the staff the Commission on the safety of structures that the Commission had the confidence to approve.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: We will miss their expertise and their enthusiasm for vcs work, but we certainly know where to find them and so at this time i'd like to turn the floor over to Larry.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Thank you brad can you hear me, yes, good works okay great.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: So now i'm going to totally change what I thought I would actually say because of what brad said.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: BCDC is in a real transitional stage and has been for about oh two two or three years when it comes to staff.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: When I joined BC DC in 2012 I had everybody line up in January 2013 all the staff members, we had about 40 about two thirds have been a BC DC for over 15 years.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: When I did this a year and a little over a year ago, before the pandemic about 80% had been at the CDC for less than five years so we've had huge staff turnover during that period.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And then, when brad and I were talking about what was going on today, and you know you learn about the fact that the CRD, is going through a transition as well.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: You know, it makes you think about two things number one It makes you think about institutional knowledge and I can honestly say that I do not know of any.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Any kind of system in which we totally transfer the knowledge of Roger and frank into some mechanism that then the crb can use for the next 50 years.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: So we're going to do the next best thing we're going to force them to stay with us.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And we're going to force them to stay with us as alternates whether they like it or not, and that's one of the things you learn about transitions is that you never really leave.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And the second thing I really want to say about that is that when it comes to transitions there's also a training period.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: So just Roger and frank, just because you may not be always on the screen with us.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Our staffs going to end up going to you every now and then and asking you to talk with somebody about what you've learned during your period and ECR be.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: and make sure that that knowledge does get transferred look the ECB is a is is the kind of place that is travel talked about the Dr be.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Many years ago you can't go somewhere and get this amazing amount of knowledge as cheaply candidly as Noah and the gang just did for say the a's.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: I mean you all volunteer and the quotient of expertise is just it's it's infinite and we need to continue that and and thankfully with brad and Raphael and the permitting team, we will do so.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: You know the the board reviews so many things and it's so different, and it is just so crucial, and I think it's a hallmark of your success that quite candidly when it came to the enforcement issues that we've been dealing with the last three years nobody's talking about structures.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: People are talking about other things, but nobody's talking that the ECB screwed up something and that's because you don't and I cannot tell you how grateful I am and the Commissioners are for your expertise, you know Roger you've been the Chair, since you know what.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: How many years.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: You know, as my as my father would say, since Moses was in short pants and candidly that is incredibly important because it's a because even though transitions are important steady leadership is incredibly important.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: To this day, I have no idea how you manage the people as you chair these meetings.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Because each of them as an expert and each of them wants to talk and each of them has an opinion, each of them has has something to say and that's not easy to do.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: But perhaps because you both went to cal and teach at Stanford you're used to that sort of internal you know this and so you're able to somehow figure out how to make it all work.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And, and I love how frank says on his website that 70 is the new 40.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: You know I just i'm i'm in my early 60s frank and I figure i'm in about 55 so i'm hoping that, as I get toward your age actually gets younger and i'll feel like i'm 40 but you know, the fact that you have been leading your organization for so long, which is such a recognized organization.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: You know, it demonstrates the need for your type of expertise on a board like this, and I can tell you that all of us who wander around the bay.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: who sit at PAC bell park who go into the ferry building who drive the bridges, none of us recognize, except for a few of us, none of us recognize that you all had a tremendous tremendous.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: You know piece of that work to make sure that it's safe and we can't Thank you enough.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And you do truly are the you know the invisible ones, to make sure that everything that's built out there stays where it's supposed to be in a safe.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And we can and we wouldn't be able to do what we do without all of you, so at an appropriate time post Panda.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: When we can actually see you shake your hands wonder how you're doing, we will bring you in front of the full Commission.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And thank you in a very appropriate way, for your work, but for now you're just going to have to settle for looking at the Hollywood squares board ahead of you and and know that that we really do appreciate what you've done and don't go far because you're still tethered to be CDC.


Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thanks very much Larry Roger that well, thank you, so there you summarize Larry, for your kind comments and and your excellent leadership of BC DC because it's really faced some significant challenges and it's really.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: A big challenge of having to do with.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: restrain the filling of the baby, been very successful at in the face of real pressures in terms of increasing population density so and we really have a pretty I really appreciate your support of the crp.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I would like to express my appreciation to you and take this opportunity and express my sincere appreciation for the opportunity to serve on the engineering criteria review board.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: it's been really an amazing journey, not only because of the Board drove to advise the BCDC on the safety of the engineering criteria.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: for purposes of the issues of the permits, but also, I think, because the Board has been able to provide a real contribution to the engineering criteria used on projects, and in turn help promote public safety.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And if you'll indulge me for just a bit to reflect on 30 past years on the board.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The Board has had the opportunity to review the engineering criteria for a wide variety of projects and including those for all of the bridges from the dumbarton to the cockiness and with one of the more notable notable of these being the span of the San Francisco oakland Bay bridge.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And if I remember correctly, one of the initial conclusions regarding whether to retrofit or to build a new bridge was based on presentations made by.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: caltrans to the ECRB when Joe nicoletti was a chair, and it was that that board meeting, the decision was really made to think about building a new bridge.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And of course we've been in the position of making recommendations for the retrofit of the Bart two major sports stadiums the San Francisco giants the golden state warriors now the oakland a's.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Numerous smaller use development such as brooklyn basin project we just reviewed or the alameda landing or Richmond and there's a long list of them.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Very terminals in San Francisco and Brisbane treasure island airport runway San Francisco and oakland pure 1617 and relocations exploratorium.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: War some various locations and the list goes on, so it's been really an amazing variety of projects and and the review of this wide variety of projects over such a long period of time has been an amazing learning experience for me.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: to reveal I think rapid changes in the state of the art regarding how to evaluate and characterize saw soils for engineering design.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Methods for identifying evaluating and remediate remediating their potential for failure associated with liquefaction and lateral movements have improved dramatically, as developed and applied by founders and principles of.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: premier geotechnical firms such as frank's and jim's participation and contributions.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: So their contributions, the board have just been amazing and since.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: My joining of the board.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Two years after the 1989 loma prieta earthquake that's a long time ago we've experienced major changes the manner in which the.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: a very long time ago.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: But we experienced some major.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Changes in the state of the art and how to evaluate and characterize soft skills for engineering design.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Methods for identifying evaluating remeeting their potential for failure associated with liquefaction and lateral movements have improved dramatically.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Also, we basically.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: made large progress with respect to.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Taking into account the am for the get their amplification characteristics.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And the limited promotional recordings of this loma prieta earthquake with the basis for.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Developing or the empirical basis for developing new amplification factors for.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: New definitions, to the site classes and for incorporation of those into the 1994 UBC.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: and several other versions of the codes is bill well knows, having served on as chairman and on be as of the national beat provision update committee for several years.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: The procedures are continuing to evolve towards predicting the entire site response back from now using next generation ground motion predictions based on efforts.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Led by the conducted the Pacific earthquake engineering research institute, under the direction of Professor melee.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: So they're just been lots of progress with respect to understanding site conditions in their effects and, of course, another major can contribution of the BC DC and the crb.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: pertains to the kit capability to approve engineering criteria with your parents of future earthquakes and thanks to policy number for the San Francisco Bay plan regarding requirements for his plantation.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: BCDC and the engineering profession at large are in a much better position than we were after the 1989 earthquake.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Following the nine earthquake, there were no recordings of emotions that destroyed the bay bridge the Cypress structure the embarcadero overpass or buildings in the mission district.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: There was none in the bark to none at the very terminals none on the worse and then in the mission mission district or any soft soft site in San Francisco.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And thanks to busy DC policy number for the situation and now it's much different all the ridges are now well instrumented as well as me these other types of structures, part two, was as an instrumentation array and so we're in a much better situation.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: To improve the engineering criteria as we move forward.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And of course now one of the major changes for the board concerned, climate change and sea level rise in their applications and so.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Times are every changing and the state of the art ever changing for me personally it's been an amazing educational journey.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Not only because of what i've learned from my fellow board members are leading professionals in their field.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And also because of what i've learned from previous Members such as Joe nicoletti at Wilson, and numerous others as such as the late Joe benzene or Chris Arnold Bob wallace many others it's been a truly amazing journey.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And of course I would like to explicitly thank each of the current ECRB been be members, where they're very important contributions and everything i've learned from them as well.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Some of whom i've been on committees with for years i'd also like to thank the vc DC staff, especially brad and Robbie help for their support and assistance they've been very helpful.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: And like especially thank you lori for again for your support and assistance, and I think BC DC plays an extremely important role in terms of the safety and preservation of the bay and you've been doing a great job and now like to turn the zoom microphone over the frank.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: is a very special colleague and friend, and one of the founders of the premier good technical consulting firm and that's a quote from business magazine frank.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: it's all you're trying.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Well, first of all thank you Larry, for your kind words and Roger Thank you.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: It was over 10 years ago when I made that statement that the 70s, or the 16th is the new 70 or whatever it was because i've got dementia now and i'm not sure what I said.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: It was a an honor to be asked.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: In the mid 90s, to serve on a ECRB and it's been a pleasure.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: To be associated with great people experts that i've been a part of the crb the Ad will as to repeat what Roger set at Wilson Joe pending.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Joe Nicoletti.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Chris Arnold who, by the way, made an incredible rendering of the span of the bridge and gave it gave a copy to each of the ECB members at the time and I cherish it and it's battered on the walls, my home.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: I i'm thankful that I was able to contribute.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Somewhat to.


Frank Rollo, Board Member: performance of many of the structures that have been built.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Along the shoreline since the mid 90s, and, as I indicated to brad.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: I would be pleased to support the crb in the future, I will accept the role as an alternate member, and I would be delighted to be called upon.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: To express opinions about any designs that God before the board so again, thank you it's been a pleasure.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Work we're counting on it Frank.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: that's it.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: will take you up on that offer.

All right.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Chair Borcherdt, I don't know if we if you want to open the floor for for other board comments or just move on to Raphael is very short presentation, which will give the other board members, a sense of what the future looks like a little bit.

Jim French, Board Member: Would it be an order at this point to make a motion that the board rejecting retirement.

Rafael: Okay, so let me.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: Raphael over.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: yeah I have my hand up I just think Roger and frank, for the great leadership they've exercised.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: The pleasure that they've made.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: These meetings over the years.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: And I want to congratulate them for free group figuring out how to escape what I hear they didn't do so until many years have passed, but good work guys.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: i'll second that.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: yeah and like just to say that you know spent most of my career, on the other side of the table from the crb when we when we talk and yeah I.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: yeah you never so scared is the the time that you go in front of the crb and you've got these giants of the industry, all of this experience and knowledge and they're asking you about things and I.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: want to thank you for, for you know not making me cry or anything in front of you that's that was always always great.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: And you know I think about.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: You know silly you know comic book thing spider man, you know with great power which the vc vc has comes great responsibility, and I appreciate the the care and judgment that you you've.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: Provided all of these Bay projects over the years and, like it's really great and wish you all the best.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: So Richard at this point, I think what we should do is have just Raphael can talk for a few minutes about what we plan to do and then we'll move on to item five, which is germain and you can take it.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: After finishes up again.

Rafael: Okay board members seeing some that announcement.

Rafael: Then, with all the retirements from the ECRB last year of our three prominent members, Mary Comerio, Lou Gilpin and Richard Dornhelm and

Rafael: So i'm here to enter in now frank and Roger so I like to brief you on how we're going to move forward to recruiting new members and i'm going to also preview on very quickly on the regulations that are going to change modify the makeup of the ECB can you can you all see my screen.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: yeah, we can see Raphael OK.


Rafael: The BCDC has embarked on the revision of regulations.

Rafael: And unfortunately I don't have the regulation number here but, but basically it is, it is one of the regulations that has always defined the makeup of the easier be and, as you can see.

Rafael: The numbers are going to be reduced from 11 up to nine.

Rafael: In that's going to include an engineering geologists rather than a geologist.

Rafael: and Civil Engineers that include a coastal engineer.

Rafael: And then, based on on feedback from Mary Comerio, the former architect on the board, we are deleting the architect position.

Rafael: Also, the changes include they're going to define what a quorum is so in the future, of course, is going to be five Members, in order to hold a meeting.

Rafael: It also adds alternates to the ECRB, something that we didn't have before there's going to be four alternates serving on the board.

Rafael: And then, lastly, the regulations will define term limits.

Rafael: And the term limits are going to for 3 five-year terms in a row, a total of 15 years.

Rafael: Nine active members and four alternates.

Rafael: chair Borcherdt could become an alternate but we're going to be looking for other alternates, once we find them, then Dr. Borcherdt may need to step down due to term limits.

Rafael: For now, he may be the alternate but the selected new candidate will become the permanent alternate.

Rafael: Then we had the engineering geologists.

Rafael: And then we would have a geotechnical engineer.

Rafael: As for Mr Frank Rollo, it would be the same thing to do, look for geotechnical engineers after Frank retirement and then looking for his successor.

Rafael: Then we have the vacancy for the geologists or engineering geologist, the new position here.

Rafael: Then we have the structural engineers, who are three.

Rafael: And there will be no vacancy because you know there's The numbers are there.

Rafael: as for coastal engineers like Bob Battalio, we will be searching for a replacement or a successor to Mr Richard Dornhelm.

Rafael: and

Rafael: How do we get there.

Rafael: Well, I started having conversations with the American Society of Civil Engineers, the Golden Gate chapter.

Rafael: Mr. Rod Iwashita was able to connect me with the president of that chapter and we're going to be doing advertising through a ASCE. i'm going to do outreach to the other engineering societies.

Rafael: The one that Roger mentioned.

Rafael: we're going to be advertising for the vacancies in professional associations, including minority and women professional societies.

Rafael: So BCDC is going to be.

Rafael: aggressive, if you want to call it that way in in trying to put the word out there to include minority and women in and the board.

Rafael: So the criteria for the campus will go beyond the qualifications, as I mentioned before the minority and women professional societies, and this is prompted by.

Rafael: The new policies on on environmental justice and equity.

Rafael: And so that basically prompt a vc vc to be more proactive in this endeavor.

Rafael: And then nomination committee will whole interviews of board candidates so basically, I will be reaching out to you individually to know if you're interested in becoming.

Rafael: One of the panelists to interview, the new candidates.

Rafael: And, and the way we are thought out of the committee's the selection committees will be will have to bcc members to ECB war members, and then we have the advising or the the advice from Mr role and in TIM Boucher.

Rafael: And so, this is the way we're going to move forward we're going to advertise.

Rafael: region wide.

Rafael: And then we're going to start collecting applications so we're going to have to set a deadline for some middle of applications, perhaps you know the middle of spring or in a spring or beginning of summer, but we need to move forward.

Rafael: Very quickly here.

Rafael: So we are the committee reviews and you whoever serves on the committee.

Rafael: is going to get you know all these candidates and we're going to select the applications and then we're going to move forward with a selection of candidates and the interviews and again.

Rafael: This is is going to reach out to some of you, you know for specific particular professions that will look into fill.

Rafael: And then the Committee is going to select the candidates and.

Rafael: Also you're going to select the future alternatives so it's not going to be just people serving activity on the easier be now, but once does proposed changes to the regs happen.

Rafael: we're going to have those four alternates you know that that we need to fill in you know if no one of them will is Roger and the other one is frank, but then we have two more.

Rafael: And then the candidates are going to be announced.

Rafael: Not three public meeting or maybe a public meeting we haven't decided on that yet, but my take is.

Rafael: Since we need to move fast on this, you know we don't want to wait for another public meeting to.

Rafael: Just come together and tell you who they are, you know there's going to be any discussion on them, but it's going to be just an announcement and and.

Rafael: I think, based on on the rules of of what a meeting is you know, an announcement is just an announcement because there's no discussion and then based on that after that we're going to report it to the Commission we're going to bring it forward to the Commission and have.

Rafael: Provided provided the Commission with the input on the selection and ultimately it's going to be the Commission selecting in appointing.

Rafael: The new easier be members.

Rafael: In I think that's the end of my presentation.

Rafael: brad.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Well we're available for any questions that the board might have about the way will handle this.

Rafael: yeah.

Rafael: I.
Rafael: Professor Moehle.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: I think it's great to have a process to request applications, because it, it provides a an opportunity for individuals who may be very qualified or may meet certain other criteria for equity and diversity that you might overlook.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: But I really do think that you'll need.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: A more proactive approach to ensure that you get really qualified individuals applying.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: And a little pressure gets applied some arm twisting gets applied for qualified individuals to join up.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: everyone's busy and it's unusual for individuals who are busy and and who you would want to have on this.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: board it's unusual for them to just volunteer their time.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: So I would encourage more being more proactive about it very good Thank you.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: let's go ahead and take down your slideshow.


Bill Holmes, Board Member: yeah there's.

Rafael: Too much.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: I would suggest when, if you if you are going to advertise it did you come up with some minimum qualifications.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: Because I don't think you want to deal with applications of someone who's got five years experience or something I think you're looking for some more aged person than that, so I don't know, maybe you have you need 15 years of experience or some minimum qualifications in our advertisement.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: So thank you.

Rafael: Thank you.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah I think it will be good as jacket said to be very proactive and you may want to have a nomination committee, that is, you know comprised actually the you know the Board is pretty good nomination committee entire board, but you know they've got a lot of experience and.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: an insight into the qualified individuals that are in the various professionals in the various professions and so.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: As jack says, I think we need it's good to be proactive in terms of looking for candidates and doing a little arm twisting and at the same time, good to advertise it's also good to advertise to do both but to get the best candidates, it might take a little arm twisting.

Rafael: Roger.

Rafael: Sorry guys.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: I was just gonna say, as you said, Raphael will be reaching out to the board members to see who might be interested in serving on this committee.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: folks that will go on look at the applications and ultimately review and make suggestions to the staff into the executive director who then we will go ahead and make a proposal to the Commission and the Chair of the Commission.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: We do have a problem with a because when you gather more than a couple of board members together, you have a meeting.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: You have a cloud or you have a meeting I don't know you regulations so.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: yeah so that's why we're going to keep it to two committee members, but Roger and frank because you'll you'll be retired from the ECB, after today's meeting.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: We look forward to you being advisors, the because you won't be longer be board members, I think i'll talk to the Attorney about that, but I think that that will it should help.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: So we expect to have three or four of you.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: helping us figure it out.

Rafael: And I just want.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: To look forward to it, and I want a second what bill and jack said we need diversity we need wisdom.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: And, and we need.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: Individuals with knowledge of the of the of the greater Bay area.

Ashley Tomerlin (BCDC): Rod has his hand up.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: yeah I.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: And, and I, maybe i'm being a little selfish here, but I sit you've kept the service to 15 years, and you know, I think.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: that's kind of hoping, this would be the way that I contributed beyond my you know my day job and the way I stayed involved with.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: engineering.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: In the bay and so i'm just curious why you came to that number what's the thought processes behind that.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Good question we.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Raphael and Andrea Gaffney who's who's also attending this meeting and I and others are attorneys talked a lot about.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: What the appropriate term was, and I believe Andrea had and actually want to bring her over Maybe she could help me on this.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: But Andrea rehab one of her interns look into local governments or other institutions around the bay area in the term limits that they generally used, we found that without term limits.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: It was very unclear about what the expectations were we had one board member who thought it was a lifetime appointment on the design review board, and so we thought it would be much better going forward to have clarity around that as Andrew excuse me, Andrew How did we.

What was your research on that.

And you'd have to unmute.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Perhaps we brought her over there, but she's not here but anyway that's that's how we came to that.

Andrea Gaffney: brad sorry I was on a call, but I just saw that I got switched to panelists so I was figuring you wanted to ask me something.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: I did, I just wanted to know the question is, did we didn't you have an intern do some research on term limits in other organizations government agencies around the bay area and what they sort of the range of terms were remembering that correctly.

Andrea Gaffney: yeah I.

Andrea Gaffney: Looked at design review boards and like planning commission's and arts commissions.

Andrea Gaffney: And I have a.

Andrea Gaffney: slide on it and sort of some more political appointments somewhere like two years.

Andrea Gaffney: Political cycles, but others were.

Andrea Gaffney: longer than that, like six years and we felt like.


Andrea Gaffney: The sort of the the project timeline the way that projects come through BC DC.

Andrea Gaffney: It was actually beneficial to have board members serve for a minimum of five years.

Andrea Gaffney: so that you know if a project came through and somehow for some reason got parked and then came back you still have this institutional knowledge on the review board to pick it up and I often relied on that.

Andrea Gaffney: With our design review board members they're like oh yeah we We saw this project.

Andrea Gaffney: In the early 2000s, whereas i'm like you know I wasn't on staff at that time so yeah Thank you Thank you thanks for that so that's how we ended up.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: yeah okay well i'll just you know again say that you know there's this institutional knowledge in this experience that you're not I don't think you're just going to pick it up off the street so i'm.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: You know, concerned that you know as you cycle through your you know your choices, or the the makeup of the Board is going to.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: You know I think well anyway, let me, let me just say differently, I think the successes, a lot based on you know the folks who are here who are volunteering their time.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: In and it sounds it feels like I guess folks have kind of self police themselves with the with the turnover that's happened.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: In this last year, so i'm just you know just commenting on on that because i'm hoping to serve for a while.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Well you're on you're too, and I think you have 13 more to go.


Larry Goldzband, BCDC: I actually mentioned, can I talk for a second about that brad if possible and Raphael, one of the things that i've discovered.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Because I was on the Commission before I became executive director.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Is the best, I think the best way commissions and city councils and legislative bodies work and advisory bodies is, if you have a diversity, not only a perspectives, but also have have tenure.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: So one of the things I imagine rod that you is that you've learned over your past couple of years from how Roger and frank, for example, have done things.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: My assumption is that, as you stay on the ECRB be you will do the same thing for the next five to 10 to 12 years for the new people who are coming on that.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And they will in turn do that etc, so one of the and the reason I like to see that diversity of tenure.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: Also, is that I don't want all nine I don't want seven out of the nine people having to retire or leave the board all in one fell swoop.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: So we need to make sure that there's a gradual turnover, as opposed to a major turnover and we need to make sure that, as part of.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: As Raphael and brad's and Andrea start putting people on to the ECR be in the Dr be as retirements happened that that training happens and it happens, almost organically.

Larry Goldzband, BCDC: And it continues to happen throughout the throughout the the tenure of the different folks so that's that's the way I tend to see.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: In the clock starts when the.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: When the register legislation passes, or when the rule fast.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: And we have some flexibility around that and we'd be happy to get get back to you on that there's a but yes, the expect expectation is that will take a look at will.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Use your start date at such time that the I think we're going to use your start date, but we have to actually have some flexibility and how that works and we'll get back to you.


Rod Iwashita, Board Member: Well, I mean I think all the rest, my colleagues they've they've been on the board for quite some time already right so are you.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: Is there.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: i'm just curious how they're if their clock starts it starts starts started ticking when they were first invited to the board, you know, again, we will I will will.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: sort this out and and discuss it to me may be that we you know different people have different desires, I mean you, so we may will take your input.

Rod Iwashita, Board Member: In the mix okay.

Rafael: Regarding the outreach.

Rafael: Let me.

Rafael: The way you, you came to the survey was because you know references from the ECB and we're not going to let go of that.

Rafael: Because you know your peers, you know who is who are the you know the best minds in in your field and and so i'm we're going to be getting names from you to we're not going to let go of that.

Rafael: Of what we used to do in the past, just because we're going to be interviewing more people, but having a pool of candidates at least gives us.

Rafael: An idea of who is out there, you know, remember that we live in very insulated societies here, and we're just affected by the people that we rub shoulders with.

Rafael: And so, this outreach at least will give us an opportunity to know how many people of color [are] interested and women are, who are out there, that that are knocking on the door to participate and that want to volunteer.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Center and.

Rafael: i'm not throwing the baby with the bathwater.

Rafael: and professionally they have to be on top too.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: yeah, the Commission has always had.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: An eye and the staff has always had an eye towards populating art commissions advisory boards with excellence and having people that are preeminent professionals and.

And we've been very successful at that we don't intend to to change that.

Rafael: And just to add to that the Commissioners have also asked for diversity.

Rafael: In fact, one of the Commissioners was very adamant about that you know that we didn't leave out, you know candidates that that are very competent and you know and and great in their field.

Rafael: Just because you know they don't happen to.

Rafael: Be in the peers.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: switcher boardroom musters any other questions relearning if you have any last thoughts nope.

there's no other questions, we can move on to agenda item five, which is germaine.

Frank Rollo, Board Member: I move on that.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: i'm happy i'm happy to accept that move is there a second.

Bill Holmes, Board Member: i'll second that.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Great I have to say, this has just been an amazing experience, and I really appreciate, you know all of the input from all of the board members it's just really been amazing and so i'm looking forward to this new future and thank you all very much so.

Jim French, Board Member: very much appreciate it.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thank you very much lori for coming down it's really.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: really appreciate it.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: I say.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: coming down i'm thinking of you going, you know they he was being in the building he.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: come down the stairs.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: yeah come down the stairs so anyway great Thank you very much, and I would say, actually, with respect to this new these new positions to you know I you know I hope.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: bill and jack and Jim rod narrow down will be thinking about this too, and then we'll provide input or the specter of their their suggestions if frank and I are in a position of helping look at some of this stuff.

Jim French, Board Member: Actually, before we adjourn, can I ask a couple of questions just pragmatic stuff.

Jim French, Board Member: Share how many board members do we have now once frank and Roger are gone.

Rafael: five.

Jim French, Board Member: yeah so we 100% attendance to achieve a quorum right now as.

Jim French, Board Member: of late.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Any major meeting.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: It is.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: How would.

Jim French, Board Member: An who will share the next meeting.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: So good to good questions, the first on the first point, we don't have any meetings expected in the next four or five months.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Also, we expect these regulations to be approved by the Commission in May and be adopted through the legal process probably a few months after that.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: figure is knocking on wood and so that would put us into late summer early fall in the meantime we're going to get started with this exercise so we're ready to go when that goes along.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: With regard to the second.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: issue, I talked to cherry orchard about this yesterday Roger when you were brought in his chair, it was a relatively informal process, as I read.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Every call you telling me, and so we anticipated also being an informal process Andrea who's still with us on this website here, and this zoom meeting.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Just went through this process where the design review just changed chairs were carrying all schuler became an alternate and just sit to the can became the Chair of the commission's design.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: And it was, as I recall, Andrea and if you can unmute yourself and the answer this as I recall, it was it was up to the board made the decisions that how it worked.

Andrea Gaffney: yeah it was a it was a discussion with Karen and the vice chair Gary Strang and.

Andrea Gaffney: And then we put it forward as a discussion for the board and everybody agreed that Jacinta was an appropriate because she was often standing in his acting chair when.

Andrea Gaffney: Karen and Gary had to recuse.

Andrea Gaffney: So.

Andrea Gaffney: It was a natural succession yeah Thank you.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: So I would suggest that if any of you have interested in self nominating being the Chair feel free to reach out to me, and let us know, and we can have a conversation with you all, and it, you know we can do this somewhat informally.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: And if you have suggestions about how else to do it feel free to let us know about that to.

Brad McCrea, BCDC Regulatory Director: Cherry orchard, I think, too, I think your official final official action should be to save the magic words which is meeting adjourned.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: It to do meeting adjourn.

Roger Borcherdt, Chair: Thank you again.

Jack Moehle, Board Member: Okay.

Well, everybody.

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